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WolverineMike;1883051; said:
Horry doesn't hit that three and Sacramento probably goes on to win the championship that year. That's what I meant. Give him one ring and that probably would have put him over the top.
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Evil Knievel would be awed by the audacity of that leap.
 
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Jaxbuck;1883052; said:
Evil Knievel would be awed by the audacity of that leap.
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scUM logic always starts with "if" followed by a ridiculous sequence of events the result of which is an equally ridiculous conclusion which makes them feel better about themselves, and leaves the rest of us more realistic people scratching our heads. As an example, I could probably retire right now if I had $10 for each time I heard a scUMmer say, "If Crable wouldn't have gotten called for that personal foul on Troy Smith (note they won't even admit that it was a penalty--further delusion), UM would have beaten OSU in '06 and gone on to win the NC game because UM was better suited to beat Florida." Reality must suck for them.
 
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WolverineMike;1883051; said:
Horry doesn't hit that three and Sacramento probably goes on to win the championship that year. That's what I meant. Give him one ring and that probably would have put him over the top.
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I think both of those 'probably's are reasonable statements. What sucked for Sacramento is that Vlade Divac made what should have been a good play by knocking the rebound away from Shaq with just a couple seconds left in that game, but it went right to Horry, who lived up to his nickname.

Without that basket, Sacramento was up 3-1 with 2 of the last 3 games at home. And the Finals opponent would have been New Jersey, who was swept by the Lakers. So saying the Kings 'probably' would have won the NBA Title that year isn't much of a stretch.

I was pulling for the Kings at the time, but since Webber never got a ring, I'm comfortable with the outcome.
 
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BB73;1883100; said:
I think both of those 'probably's are reasonable statements. What sucked for Sacramento is that Vlade Divac made what should have been a good play by knocking the rebound away from Shaq with just a couple seconds left in that game, but it went right to Horry, who lived up to his nickname.

Without that basket, Sacramento was up 3-1 with 2 of the last 3 games at home. And the Finals opponent would have been New Jersey, who was swept by the Lakers. So saying the Kings 'probably' would have won the NBA Title that year isn't much of a stretch.

I was pulling for the Kings at the time, but since Webber never got a ring, I'm comfortable with the outcome.
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I'll give you that Sacramento probably wins the title that year but the second part requires accepting that the only blemish on Webbers HOF card is a missing ring.

I'm not sure just how low they go on admission standards but a guy with only 4 AS games in 16 years, no MVP's, no defensive first teams or anything else to show he was clearly superior to his peers even for a little while, is missing a lot more than a championship.

Does anyone think Derrick Coleman is a bubble HOFer? That's the best comp for Webber I can think of off the top of my head and Webber was just a little better.
 
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it's not just "scUM" logic, 07. I've read multiple articles on whether or not Webber is HOF material, and most arguments around him not being a HOF is lack of leading Sacramento to a championship. They win that ring, and it washes a lot of that argument away.

another argument, which I am more apt to believe in is the fact he was injury prone throughout his career. He played in 65 games or less in 5 of his years in the NBA.

His numbers are in the same range as McHale, Malone, Dr J, and Garnett


and as much as I hate blaming refs for stuff, the officiating in that Kings/Lakers series was an abomination
 
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WolverineMike;1883114; said:
His numbers are in the same range as McHale, Malone, Dr J, and Garnett
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Webber was a much better player than Jeff Malone.

Oh wait, you weren't talking about Karl were you? The NBA's 2nd all time leading scorer, the guy with 12 AS games in 19 years, the guy with 2 MVP's?

Please tell me you weren't comparing Chris Webber to Karl Malone. :lol:
 
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Jaxbuck;1883121; said:
Webber was a much better player than Jeff Malone.

Oh wait, you weren't talking about Karl were you? The NBA's 2nd all time leading scorer, the guy with 12 AS games in 19 years, the guy with 2 MVP's?

Please tell me you weren't comparing Chris Webber to Karl Malone. :lol:
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I was. Webber averaged more assists and blocks per game. Malone averaged 5 more points, and their rebounds were the same. Hence me saying his numbers were "similar" to Malones.........
 
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WolverineMike;1883125; said:
I was. Webber averaged more assists and blocks per game. Malone averaged 5 more points, and their rebounds were the same. Hence me saying his numbers were "similar" to Malones.........
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:lol:

Don't forget they were both tall black guys.
 
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WolverineMike;1883127; said:
yeah, with similar career numbers.
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Except for the scoring average, MVP's, all star games and that whole "NBA's second leading all time scorer" thing.

Other than that Mrs Lincoln how did you enjoy the play?
 
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WolverineMike;1883114; said:
His numbers are in the same range as McHale, Malone, Dr J, and Garnett
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What is your point? That we should give Webber the benefit of the doubt and assume that had he been healthy he would have put up the same career numbers as Malone, and therefore should be in the NBA HOF? This is exactly what I mean by "typical scUM logic." Webber and Malone shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath, and it would take a UM fan to attempt to do so.

Tell me, please, what Webber has on his resume that even comes close to any of these items:

 
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buckeyesin07;1883134; said:
What is your point? That we should give Webber the benefit of the doubt and assume that had he been healthy he would have put up the same career numbers as Malone, and therefore should be in the NBA HOF? This is exactly what I mean by "typical scUM logic." Webber and Malone shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath, and it would take a UM fan to attempt to do so.

Tell me, please, what Webber has on his resume that even comes close to any of these items:

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Well, he does more time outs.....:biggrin:
 
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talking about their career average numbers, they are in the same galaxy. The numbers don't lie.


as to 07, obviously all the accolades that Malone racked up is the reason he's a HOF and Webber won't be. Which goes back to my point of had the Kings won at least one championship while he was there, it would have bolstered his chances because his numbers are on par with several other HOF, as well as Garnett, who is sure to be a HOF as well.


If I was being homeristic I would just sit here saying he's in, he's in, he's in, he's in......but i'm not. There are arguments both for and against him going. Probably 60/40 split favoring NOT going in.

you guys are just being reverse homers.......:lol:
 
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