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Truly Very Sad - The Florida Shooting

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Watson, Crick & A Twist
It is at times like this that there are no really good answers.

Pellet Gun brandished by suicidal teenager in school, Officers of the law have no way of knowing that the gun is not the "real" thing. So an Officer shoots him. Then learns that the weapon was not, as he feared, a 9mm Beretta.

So, a very troubled young kid, who wanted to die is dead. His family has suffered a terrible loss. Other children at the school lived through a terrifying experience. And a part of the Officer's psyche has also, doubtless died - twice. Once when forced to pull the trigger, then again on learning the true nature of the threat posed by the troubled teens choice of iron.

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Fla. Eighth-Grader Shot by Deputies Dies

<!-- END HEADLINE --> <!-- BEGIN STORY BODY --> By KELLI KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer 45 minutes ago

A reportedly suicidal teenager who was shot by police while brandishing a pellet gun in his middle school has died of his injuries, his family's spokeswoman said Saturday.
Kelly Swofford, a neighbor who had been with the family all morning, stood outside their home and confirmed that 15-year-old Christopher Penley had died.
"They want to donate his organs because that is what Chris would want," Swofford said. "The family is devastated, just devastated."
Penley, of Winter Springs, was accused of pulling the pellet gun in a classroom Friday and pointing it at other students before forcing one into a closet, then leading deputies and SWAT team members on a chase that ended in a school bathroom.
When he raised the gun at a deputy, a SWAT team member shot him, authorities said.
Officers who had responded to the 1,100-student school in suburban Orlando believed the gun was a Beretta 9mm, and didn't learn until after the shooting that it was a pellet gun.
Police had said Friday night that the boy was on "advanced life support." The hospital refused to release any information Saturday.
"Everybody in the whole neighborhood is really upset," Paul Cavallini, who lives across the street from the Penleys, said Saturday. "He was a quiet kid — polite and everything. He was just a normal teenager."
However, friends and investigators say he was also bullied and emotionally distraught, and went to school that day expecting to die.
Patrick Lafferty, a 15-year-old neighbor who has known Penley about six years, said he wasn't surprised by what happened. He said Penley was a loner who "told me he wanted to kill himself dozens of times."
"He would put his headphones on and walk up and down the street and he would work out a lot," preferring to keep to himself, Lafferty said.
Swofford said the boy had run away from home several times. Her 11-year-old son, Jeffery Swofford, said Penley had said he had something planned.
"He said `I hope I die today because I don't really like my life,'" Jeffery Swofford said.
At a news conference following the shooting Friday at suburban Orlando's Milwee Middle School, authorities put the pellet gun side-by-side with a Beretta. It appeared to have black paint covering the red or pink markings on the muzzle that may have indicated to officers that it was a nonlethal weapon.
"As you can see, it doesn't take a professional to see how close this looks to the real thing. I would not be able to tell the difference," said Joyce Dawley, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement special agent in charge of the investigation.
Seminole County Sheriff Don Eslinger said the incident began about 9:38 a.m., when another student saw Penley with the weapon and struggled with him for it. Pointing the gun at the other student's back, Penley directed him to a closet, dimmed the lights and left the classroom, Eslinger said.
The school went into lockdown.
From there, the sheriff said, Penley traversed the school campus before ending up in a bathroom. By then, more than 40 officers, including SWAT and negotiators, were on scene. He refused to drop the firearm, Eslinger said, and was shot after pointing it at a SWAT deputy.
"The student said he was going to kill himself or die," Eslinger said.
Jeffery Swofford said Penley had been in a disagreement with someone, allegedly over a girl. There was going to be a fight Friday, he said. "I heard a rumor that he had a BB gun, but I didn't think he really had one," he added.
At the school Friday, Marie Hargis, whose son and daughter attend Milwee, held a sign that read "Stop the violence."
"My youngest daughter is just very emotionally messed up," she said. "She started crying and said, `Mommy, I don't want to go back.' They should not fear having to go to school."
 
Absolutely horrible. I feel awful for the young man who, for whatever reason, couldn't or wouldn't think of another, less heinous way to change his situation. My heart goes out to his family, and to the officer who will probably feel sick over this the rest of his life.

Nonetheless, the officer did what he should have done. If your eyes tell you a deadly weapon is pointed at you, even if someone is telling you right then and there that it isn't real, you still have every right to defend yourself. Someone pointing a gun at you does not get the benefit of the doubt. Even a teenager... though the very thought makes me feel ill.
 
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Absolutely.

Although I have to wonder if the kid who he held hostage and knew without a doubt that it was fake had a chance to tell anyone.
Imagine the chaos of the situation... and what it would have taken to get a clear story from the student, assess the reliability of his perceptions, convey that information to the SWAT team, and expect them to risk their lives against the possibilty that this frightened student may have been wrong.
 
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1 life ended, another in shambles, and countless others shattered because people A. don't give a damn or B. can't put 2 and 2 together.

just an fyi... the following are NOT normal things for a person to say under any circumstances:

Patrick Lafferty, a 15-year-old neighbor who has known Penley about six years, said he wasn't surprised by what happened. He said Penley was a loner who "told me he wanted to kill himself dozens of times."

"He said `I hope I die today because I don't really like my life,'" Jeffery Swofford said.

he flat out told two different persons on more htan one occasion. these aren't statements that you could hear and think, "gee, maybe i just misunderstood what he ment". if he is so far along this path that he is saying the words over and over to multiple people. the outward signs are there for all to see. thats not to place blame on anyone. but it sounds to me like that there were many opportunities missed by many individuals to stop this looooooong before this day occured.


what plot and in what manner did it thicken? what guarantee was there that the kid only had 1 weapon? what guarantee is there that this information even had time to make it to the tactical team inside? how does the father know whether or not his son had a real weapon or a fake one? did he pack it in his lunch box that morning? if you pull a weapon of any type (no matter the lethality) in public then move aggressively towards a member of law enforcement you forfiet right to call foul when you get dead.

Finally, the boy came out of the bathroom and "raised the firearm in a tactical position and pointed it" at a SWAT team member, who "decided to use deadly force," Eslinger said.

the really sad part of all of this is that the kid really didn't want to die regardless of his statements and actions. he desperately wanted attention and more importantly, help. the problem was he didn't know how to ask for it.

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This is very tragic but I don't see how there is a plot or that it has thickened.

The cops had no way of knowing that the firearm this kid was brandishing was fake. He could have concealed another firearm in that restroom, for instance.

Also a large percentage of killings by the police are "suicide by cop" deaths. The kid's state of mind is apparent from the press reports of his comments running down the hallway.

What needs to be asked is "why did this kid want his life to end?" and "why did everyone around him apparently ignore the warning signs?"

Keep this kid and everyone around him in your thoughts and prayers. They all need it.
 
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I find it hard to feel sorry for people that seriously want to take their own life, but the fact is, he shouldn't have murdered. Cops have rubber bullets for a reason.

not all of them do. i was shocked to find out my sisters dept doesn't. they don't have tazers either. but then when you think of all the law suits that have been filed because non lethal force was used... funny thing is there have been more law suites (% wise) filed over the use of non lethal force than that of deadly force.
 
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funny thing is there have been more law suites (% wise) filed over the use of non lethal force than that of deadly force.


as brash as it sounds; thats because dead people dont talk. there are a great majority of those people that the police have killed that didn't have anyone to file a suit (or they would have b/c everyone sues everyone now). Same reason that if you shoot someone that breaks into your house, you better kill them becuase you will get sued.
 
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I find it hard to feel sorry for people that seriously want to take their own life, but the fact is, he shouldn't have murdered. Cops have rubber bullets for a reason.

Yea, you shoot rubber bullets at him and HOPE he isn't shooting real rounds back at you. Try taking an objective view for once, instead of always wanting to make the police out to be the villian.
 
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what if the cop had shot him with a rubber bullet and the kid had a real gun? the would we be talking about a dead cop too?
Um, the kid probably would've dropped the gun. Rubber bullets aren't paintballs. Sand bags could've been another effective and non-lethal alternative to live ammunition.
I'm sure the media would be making just as big of a deal if the cop was the one who was murdered. In fact, highschools all over Florida would probably have metal detectors in the front doors by next week.
Yea, you shoot rubber bullets at him and HOPE he isn't shooting real rounds back at you. Try taking an objective view for once, instead of always wanting to make the police out to be the villian.
What do you mean "always"? I don't think I've ever spoken out against the police on this forum before. Why don't you stop talking about the what-ifs and worst case scenarios and actually read the articles?
 
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