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buckeyesin07
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Jaxbuck;1619760; said:
I agree. Diebs wasn't effective yesterday on the offensive end due to Butler shadowing him. I thus thought that PJ should have come in to help out on the defensive end.
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MaxBuck;1619761; said:
buckeyesin07;1619763; said:
Which really gets back to the same core issue that's plagued Matta since Connely left.
Point guard play.
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Butler did a nice job defensively on Jon. Having said that, I was a little disappointed in Jon's use of screens and the screens he was given. He was no threat to curl off the screen so the defenders stayed in his hip pocket and trailed him on the screens. I realize dribble drive is not Jon's strength, but defenders are smothering him on the perimeter. If he can add the threat of a taking the defender to the hole and one or two dribble pull up jumpshots, his game will open up immensely. As it is Jon is going to get his shots off of penetration and kick from his teammates.buckeyesin07;1619763; said:
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But it is not a threat the defenders respect, yet. Case in point the floater that he shot in the second half (IIRC) looked out of rhythm. If he continues to work on it, his offensive game will open up. On the year he has attempted 81 shots, 67 of them have been three point attempts.dragurd;1619780; said:
Jon was an elite scorer in high school and thus far has been a good shooter in college. I look forward to watching him grow into a good all around scorer in college.
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BrutusBobcat
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Some points on Diebler:
Even when he is not hitting, like yesterday, he still forces teams to defend him on the perimeter, since you absolutely cannot give him an open shot. This means that at worse, he sucks up the best defender that the other team has and draws them away from the basket. This can/should help prevent that defender from rotating over to help take lanes away from Lighty or Buford and keeps that defender (again, presumably the opponent's best) off of Buford (or Simmons, if he's in the game). So that's his value on a bad night. On a good night, obviously, his value is double digit scoring.
He was trying to dribble drive and hit runners on the baseline against Butler, as a couple of posters have mentioned. His game there is not where Buford's is, and he's going to need to improve in terms of creating his shot off of the bounce for a couple of reasons -- it scores points and we know that the team who scores the most points wins 100% of all games.
Second, it forces the defender to respect that portion of his game and not play him as tightly.
The other issue mentioned is screens, and while he's done better with that earlier, he didn't against Butler. Honestly, I was impressed with Butler's quickness and length on defense. Maybe we've just seen to many games against early season cupcakes, but the Bulldogs really surprised me with how well they covered the floor. Ohio State had to get some tremendous ball movement in order to earn shots when Butler's big man (Heyward?) was on the floor. If they have a weakness, it's that when he was out with foul trouble and after he fouled out that their defense inside became as soft as wet tissue paper. He makes a huge impact for them.
As far as JD's defense, I like him on a pure shooter because of his size. He's also developed quicker hands and better anticipation this year and has a few steals and disrupted passes to his credit, leading to fast break points. I think he's a little weak in terms of a guy driving on him, and as another poster mentioned, is occasionally a step slow in getting out to his spot. What I see is a player whose defense is improving over where it's been the past two years, so liability isn't a word I'd use, especially when there's no better alternative on the bench. Do you replace him with Simmons if he's having an off night? Maybe, though I don't see an advantage there, and certainly not with Kecman. Even when he's not shooting well, Diebler is still the best option and a threat to get hot if the opposing defense lapses.
All in all, this was a bit of a frustrating game, just like the UNC game. Winnable if the Buckeyes bring their A game for 40 minutes, and even with lackluster stretches, they were still in it at the end. I try to come out of these with some silver lining thoughts, and there are. This team fights back at the end, never quits, and can pour in a ridiculous amount of points late to mount a comeback. A bounce here and a bounce there and we're looking at a team which would potentially have beaten North Carolina on a neutral court and Butler in one of the most hostile gyms in the country without Turner. Despite some obvious weaknesses, this team can do great things. Hopefully, ET will be back in time for the game at WVU at/near the end of January, and come back to a team that's better than the one he left.
Even when he is not hitting, like yesterday, he still forces teams to defend him on the perimeter, since you absolutely cannot give him an open shot. This means that at worse, he sucks up the best defender that the other team has and draws them away from the basket. This can/should help prevent that defender from rotating over to help take lanes away from Lighty or Buford and keeps that defender (again, presumably the opponent's best) off of Buford (or Simmons, if he's in the game). So that's his value on a bad night. On a good night, obviously, his value is double digit scoring.
He was trying to dribble drive and hit runners on the baseline against Butler, as a couple of posters have mentioned. His game there is not where Buford's is, and he's going to need to improve in terms of creating his shot off of the bounce for a couple of reasons -- it scores points and we know that the team who scores the most points wins 100% of all games.
Second, it forces the defender to respect that portion of his game and not play him as tightly.The other issue mentioned is screens, and while he's done better with that earlier, he didn't against Butler. Honestly, I was impressed with Butler's quickness and length on defense. Maybe we've just seen to many games against early season cupcakes, but the Bulldogs really surprised me with how well they covered the floor. Ohio State had to get some tremendous ball movement in order to earn shots when Butler's big man (Heyward?) was on the floor. If they have a weakness, it's that when he was out with foul trouble and after he fouled out that their defense inside became as soft as wet tissue paper. He makes a huge impact for them.
As far as JD's defense, I like him on a pure shooter because of his size. He's also developed quicker hands and better anticipation this year and has a few steals and disrupted passes to his credit, leading to fast break points. I think he's a little weak in terms of a guy driving on him, and as another poster mentioned, is occasionally a step slow in getting out to his spot. What I see is a player whose defense is improving over where it's been the past two years, so liability isn't a word I'd use, especially when there's no better alternative on the bench. Do you replace him with Simmons if he's having an off night? Maybe, though I don't see an advantage there, and certainly not with Kecman. Even when he's not shooting well, Diebler is still the best option and a threat to get hot if the opposing defense lapses.
All in all, this was a bit of a frustrating game, just like the UNC game. Winnable if the Buckeyes bring their A game for 40 minutes, and even with lackluster stretches, they were still in it at the end. I try to come out of these with some silver lining thoughts, and there are. This team fights back at the end, never quits, and can pour in a ridiculous amount of points late to mount a comeback. A bounce here and a bounce there and we're looking at a team which would potentially have beaten North Carolina on a neutral court and Butler in one of the most hostile gyms in the country without Turner. Despite some obvious weaknesses, this team can do great things. Hopefully, ET will be back in time for the game at WVU at/near the end of January, and come back to a team that's better than the one he left.
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MaxBuck
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We'll certainly lose more games in Turner's absence than we'd lose if he hadn't been injured. But I think BrutusBobcat is right - this has the potential of improving the team so that we'll be better when Turner improves. Just kind of a bummer when you think that the Bucks were probably a legit top-10 team with Evan Turner at full strength.
It will be very interesting to see how this affects NCAA seeding. I have no serious concerns that we will miss the tourney, but the additional losses will surely affect us negatively when Bracketology comes around. If we end up as an 8- or 9-seed, we could be the 1-seed's worst nightmare in Round 2.
It will be very interesting to see how this affects NCAA seeding. I have no serious concerns that we will miss the tourney, but the additional losses will surely affect us negatively when Bracketology comes around. If we end up as an 8- or 9-seed, we could be the 1-seed's worst nightmare in Round 2.
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