Tony Joiner (Former S Florida Gators)

[DaddyBigBucks]

It's funny. When this story broke, the UF fans were coming out of the woodworks to disparage Gainesville tow operators as crooks and scumbags. And yet here we have a tow lot operator who sounds like the fairest, most agreeable tow lot operator in history.



Remember after the Peterson car deal, a bunch of Okie St. fans went to the dealership trying to get the same deal? We need some FSU fans to try this out on this tow lot.

As a Tallahassee resident, I would be happy to pose as a Seminole fan for the common good. But I don't think it would be believable. Judging from all the Gator gear around here, there are no Seminole fans left in Leon County, FLA.

 

[Steve19]

Imagine, no one around to collect a payment at 1am. What happened to customer service?

You stay classy, SEC, and keep shouting about all that corruption in football elsewhere!

 

[Gatorubet]

Imagine, no one around to collect a payment at 1am. What happened to customer service?

You stay classy, SEC, and keep shouting about all that corruption in football elsewhere!

Actually, the place is usually open 24 hours. And it was 4:30, not 1:00.

I believe he made arrangements with the towing company, and i think the guy he needed to talk to was away getting a burger when TJ showed up, and I think that he decided to get the car because he was pissed the guy was not there.

And I do think that it was never a "burglary", and the charge was stupid, but the fact remains that you don't take it until the cashier comes back. The lack of charges is not a surprise, noone could ever remember a burglary charge ever being accepted by the DA for this sort of stuff - and people take their cars out of the lot with some frequency. Yes, the tow truck people do scam many in Gainesville, yes it is a problem, but no, it was not smart for TJ to do.

What exactly is Urban supposed to do with a situation where the charges are dropped? Or do you think Urban has control of all of this, and arranged this? Hell, as head coach, he has to respond to to the cards he is dealt, and the cards were a refused criminal deal. If a Buckeye had charges dropped, what would Tressel do? Kick him off the team for....what?

I personally think an LSU suspension would be appropriate, but I think you are being a tad overly hypocritical here, unless some SEC fans were busting your chops during the recent unpleasentness with a former Buck running back.

 

[Gatorubet]

Henton, as you may have read, has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor. Until he is found to be guilty, there is no basis to be making any judgement about him, except that he seems to have been foolish to involve himself in a situation that could lead to such charges.

Joiner was arrested at the scene and is by admission guilty of a felony.

Ummmmm.....no.

Ignoring the fact that neither has yet been found guilty, TJ's admission that he pushed open a gate is not in and of inself an admission of anything other than - well - he pushed open a gate.

It is sure as hell not an admission of a "felony" (unless there are gate pushing felonies in Ohio that I am unaware of).

Now, "I killed him for his wallet" I'd give you as a res ipsa felony admission, but "I pushed the gate open" - not so much.

 

[Bleed S & G]

We need some FSU fans to try this out on this tow lot.

I went with my uncle to buy a car, after the whole Clarett car dealership ordeal. He told them he wanted the Maurice Clarett treatment, and wanted to drive it for a day.. it worked!

I personally think an LSU suspension would be appropriate, but I think you are being a tad overly hypocritical here, unless some SEC fans were busting your chops during the recent unpleasentness with a former Buck running back.

 

[Gatorubet]

I went with my uncle to buy a car, after the whole Clarett car dealership ordeal. He told them he wanted the Maurice Clarett treatment, and wanted to drive it for a day.. it worked!

Yeah yeah SG....seriously. What are you guys talking about with the "stay classy SEC" comment and criticism of the big-10? Was it the Clarett deal, and were you bombed by SEC fans about it? I don't get the reference.

 

[BayBuck]

Actually, the place is usually open 24 hours. And it was 4:30, not 1:00.

I believe he made arrangements with the towing company, and i think the guy he needed to talk to was away getting a burger when TJ showed up, and I think that he decided to get the car because he was pissed the guy was not there.

And I do think that it was never a "burglary", and the charge was stupid, but the fact remains that you don't take it until the cashier comes back. The lack of charges is not a surprise, noone could ever remember a burglary charge ever being accepted by the DA for this sort of stuff - and people take their cars out of the lot with some frequency. Yes, the tow truck people do scam many in Gainesville, yes it is a problem, but no, it was not smart for TJ to do.

What exactly is Urban supposed to do with a situation where the charges are dropped? Or do you think Urban has control of all of this, and arranged this? Hell, as head coach, he has to respond to to the cards he is dealt, and the cards were a refused criminal deal. If a Buckeye had charges dropped, what would Tressel do? Kick him off the team for....what?

I personally think an LSU suspension would be appropriate, but I think you are being a tad overly hypocritical here, unless some SEC fans were busting your chops during the recent unpleasentness with a former Buck running back.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Actually, the place is usually open 24 hours. And it was 4:30, not 1:00.

I believe he made arrangements with the towing company, and i think the guy he needed to talk to was away getting a burger when TJ showed up, and I think that he decided to get the car because he was pissed the guy was not there.

And I do think that it was never a "burglary", and the charge was stupid, but the fact remains that you don't take it until the cashier comes back. The lack of charges is not a surprise, noone could ever remember a burglary charge ever being accepted by the DA for this sort of stuff - and people take their cars out of the lot with some frequency. Yes, the tow truck people do scam many in Gainesville, yes it is a problem, but no, it was not smart for TJ to do.

What exactly is Urban supposed to do with a situation where the charges are dropped? Or do you think Urban has control of all of this, and arranged this? Hell, as head coach, he has to respond to to the cards he is dealt, and the cards were a refused criminal deal. If a Buckeye had charges dropped, what would Tressel do? Kick him off the team for....what?

I personally think an LSU suspension would be appropriate, but I think you are being a tad overly hypocritical here, unless some SEC fans were busting your chops during the recent unpleasentness with a former Buck running back.

I've never had my car towed, so I've never really run into an impound lot.....but you're telling me people regularly go take their cars out of impound lots before they pay the fine?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

As a Tallahassee resident, I would be happy to pose as a Seminole fan for the common good. But I don't think it would be believable.

Probably because you have a full set of teeth...

 

[Dryden]

I dare anyone to park illegally on High St., then walk down to Shamrock and steal your car back about six hours later.

Don't worry, when you're picking buck-shot out of your ass and looking for the fingers the pit bulls chewed off, I'm sure Shamrock will drop the charges and say it was just a misunderstanding. You're allowed to break in and steal a car, as long as it is your car, anytime you want.

 

[Gatorubet]

I've never had my car towed, so I've never really run into an impound lot.....but you're telling me people regularly go take their cars out of impound lots before they pay the fine?

Nah. I'm saying that although some people do take their cars out before they pay the fine (because of fights with the company and perceived unfairness with the towing scams, lack of money, whatever), when that happens it does not result in a charge of a felony. Which goes not selective enforcement of charging, and not the underlying criminal nature of the charge itself.

I think that prior arrangements had been made to pay, and the guy was not there when he arrived, so he went and got it. Stupid. Real stupid. But not the same as some guy walking by and stealing a car. The towing guy did not think it a burglary (hell- trespass I could see, but not burglary) and the DA did not either. Again, I see him sitting out LSU as fair, since charges have been dropped. Sorry to be unclear

 

[scooter1369]

Nah. I'm saying that although some people do take their cars out before they pay the fine (because of fights with the company and perceived unfairness with the towing scams, lack of money, whatever), when that happens it does not result in a charge of a felony. Which goes not selective enforcement of charging, and not the underlying criminal nature of the charge itself.

I think that prior arrangements had been made to pay, and the guy was not there when he arrived, so he went and got it. Stupid. Real stupid. But not the same as some guy walking by and stealing a car. The towing guy did not think it a burglary (hell- trespass I could see, but not burglary) and the DA did not either. Again, I see him sitting out LSU as fair, since charges have been dropped. Sorry to be unclear

Oh no. What's going on is perfectly clear, our gator friend. Crystal clear.

 

[scooter1369]

Probably because you have a full set of teeth...

Tallahassee being in the F.L.A. (Fucking Lower Alabama) panhandle, that's a fairly accurate assesment.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Yeah yeah SG....seriously. What are you guys talking about with the "stay classy SEC" comment and criticism of the big-10? Was it the Clarett deal, and were you bombed by SEC fans about it? I don't get the reference.

SEC is bigger than just UF, believe it or not.

I put the there because i thought it was apporiate to follow your novel, and you're calling buckeye fans hypocrites and bringing up MoC.. how are any of us being hypocritical? I don't get it.. maybe I overlooked something.. care to explain?

 

[Gatorubet]

I dare anyone to park illegally on High St., then walk down to Shamrock and steal your car back about six hours later.

Don't worry, when you're picking buck-shot out of your ass and looking for the fingers the pit bulls chewed off, I'm sure Shamrock will drop the charges and say it was just a misunderstanding. You're allowed to break in and steal a car, as long as it is your car, anytime you want.

And I agree with you. But what if your car was at Shamrock, and you called and you had the money, and they said, come on down and get it, and you showed up when they said and they weren't there. It would be wrong to get it yourself, an stupid. But if you went in to get it, and some employee told you to stop after you had gotten the car out, and you stayed and waited to clear it up, you'd still be stupid, but there is a question about whether you would be guilty of a felony.

There are shades of factual elements that make it a different story.

You shot me - you're guilty of murder

But I was walking toward you - you're not guilty b/c self defense

But you showed up at my place with a gun and I had my hands up and was saying I did not want trouble - back to murder

But I had just told you a minute before I said I wanted no trouble that I had mass e-mailed out pictures of your nude daughter I took with a hidden camera - you are now facing manslaughter because you shot me, but it was in the heat of the moment without time for intent

But it turn out you found the hidden camera and had borrowed the gun right before you came to my house - back to murder one.

Not trying to be too cute here Dry, but facts matter. Saying it was taking a car without knowing the interplay of other facts is not the whole picture on what happened. All I'm saying.