To boo or not to boo - when does it go too far?

[bukIpower]

haha boys I don't boo, and I don't think we should boo our players. However, they do and its their right to do so... bad taste or not its their right. As for

Zwicks hate messages- thats too bad, thats too far I agree. Its not like I'm saying we should run the kid out of the stadium or city.

However a 4th year kid SHOULD know what they're doing, and while I don't think I would've boo'd they have a good reason to boo.

I'm going to make an comparison here and it is very much the same. At my job if I don't make the customers happy (the fans) I here it from the customers because I'm suppose to know what I'm doing, and because I slipped up and messed up I'm going to get hell for it. Its the same with Zwick he's gata know where the balls going and to get the ball to the open man, and because he can't the customers let him know that what he's doing is not the way a 4th year player should be playing.

IMO the fans are right that he's not playing like a 4th year player. HOWEVER I think the fans aren't correct for booing, but certainly something I would expect out of football school like OSU.

It'd be like UNC basketball missing its first 30 shots... do you think the fans would let them know they're not happy?

 

[ScarletFever]

This kid is playing his heart out for this team and seems willing to do whatever he can to help the team and you have the audosity to boo and/or justify others who are doing it. F-you!! I'm sorry, I don't think treating a 19 year old kid like that is accepatable. Those kids deserve more respect than that. Singling him out like that and doing that is just bad...i mean how the F would you feel if you were him right now!!

 

[gregorylee]

i mean how the F would you feel if you were him right now!!

Maybe a better context, since obviously none of us are good enough to be him.

"How would you feel if he was your son?"

 

[LloydSev]

My unwaivering view on this - If you boo your own kids at any time for anything other than the cheapest and most unsportsmanlike play, you are a piece of shit.

End of story.

That book wouldn't sell very well.

 

[bukIpower]

haha f*** me? I SAID I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONEHowever it was NOT out of line...... THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE!!! EVERYWHERE! AT YOUR KIDS BALL GAMES when the ump calls a bad call I hear it! I'm a freak'n pee wee football coach! now thats out of line sir. These are kids who took scholarships to play football and get an education, and honestly getting boo'd if you have a bad performance isn't as nerve racking as making grades for the upcoming football season. Ask Underwood who even though he didn't do too bad on the field is now out of football because he couldn't make grades.

How bout we not boo Michigan when they come to town then guys? Their kids too, hell I bet we give their parents hell, fans,the band, what do you think is going through their minds? What about the people who just don't boo, but bash the hell out of Zwick? Now thats wrong.... I think what the fans did today is no different then what some of us do on these boards....

Realize I said some of us, and some of us fans.

As for me yeah I critique our players just like all of us do, but I DO NOT BOO....If he was my son I'd be upset no doubt about that, but its what comes with going D-1A and I'd have to deal with it.

 

[jwinslow]

Who cares how unreasonable people's expectations are? Are Philadelphia fans right in booing everyone, including kids in easter egg hunts (not an exaggeration)?

He's a kid, and he's a guy that has never screwed up. He's given his all, and just hasn't been good enough. All of you that booed him need to call up all of those guys who didn't live up to their HS hype and leave "you suck" messages on their answering machine. Actually, that would be much better cuz no one else would hear it. Whereas EVERY recruit and everyone watching that game realized that our fans are ungrateful SOB's booing at the player that tried hard and didn't live up to everyone's unfair expectations. Sure there are plenty of us that would never boo him, but no one hears our silence, just the tools that feel they have the right to criticize, which they don't on so many levels.

Being unhappy with his play is understandable. But booing is hypocritical, absurd, and traitorous... but most of all people who boo are cowards. Tell me you would have booed that loud to his face. And the few that would do so could not walk out on the field and do any better, let alone play any of the much easier positions on the football team.

 

[daddyphatsacs]

I'm going to make an comparison here and it is very much the same. At my job if I don't make the customers happy (the fans) I here it from the customers because I'm suppose to know what I'm doing, and because I slipped up and messed up I'm going to get hell for it. Its the same with Zwick he's gata know where the balls going and to get the ball to the open man, and because he can't the customers let him know that what he's doing is not the way a 4th year player should be playing.

Your comparison is lame at best. Zwick is not paid to play, you are paid at your job. If you read what I wrote at the beginning of my thread, I feel that it is acceptable to boo NFL players, they are paid for it. Zwick is not paid to practice, or paid to play. Sure, he goes to school for free, but why shouldn't he? Did he not bail out our team in the Alamo bowl that was let down by Troy Smith? That win alone should nullify any kind of booing in my opinion, even if there was any validation to booing him.

Don't compare what Justin does to your job. You don't perform your job in front of millions of people per year, and you are paid for it.

It'd be like UNC basketball missing its first 30 shots... do you think the fans would let them know they're not happy?

This statement is totally off topic, I see what you are trying to say but you missed. I'm talking about Zwick, not the team. Was the OSU team booed today? NO.......Zwick was. If UNC combined to miss 30 shots some probably would boo them. If OSU's defense gave up 45 points in a game, they probably would be booed. I'm not saying that I would boo them, but people such as yourself probably would. Football is just a sport, chance are you probably couldn't hold Zwick's jock when it comes to athletism.....but because you buy OSU products, tickets, or perhaps went to school there, you feel that you can chastize what someone (who is much better than you probably ever were) does.

Spare me the UNC comparison, its lame. Zwick was singled out today and it was complete bullshit. Sad thing is the fans who booed Zwick today will be the first to talk him up if he comes on strong next season. Fair weather fans.......and fans that I feel shouldn't be allowed to watch the games at the shoe. Give the ticket to someone that will support OSU.

 

[bukIpower]

lame comparison? I dunno bout that. If they don't want to get boo'd don't play. wherever you go you're going to get it. Whether you're a visitor or at your own stadium guys..

Colleges are becoming more and more like pro organizations guys and if we're going to make our stadiums bigger, and pad our colleges wallots with our money then the students and fans can boo if they want to.

You're very right about being hypocritical. Thats why I don't. I want to make it clear that I can't recall any point in my life were I've boo'd. I think everyone knows I can bitch and moan about it and vent a bit on here, but I don't boo. I have respect for our players so its not liek I'm doing it. However, Im making the point that all of us are hypocritcal if we are going to bash the people who boo because I know for a fact all of us here have doubted a player or coach at one time or another. So whats the difference guys?

Because as stated the players DO read these boards and do you think booing hurts as much as reading "Zwick sucks, and he might as well transfer".
I know I'd be rather crushed with what some of us SAY rather than how some of us REACT in public.

 

[Deety]

I know for a fact all of us here have doubted a player or coach at one time or another. So whats the difference guys?

It is possible to discuss a player's performance, and even criticize it, while still showing the player himself respect. This is not the case with booing.

If you think it would be wrong for you to boo, why do you think it's ok for someone else?

You mention it as their "right" - how so? I don't think anyone is talking about jailing these people... and if the booers have the "right" to be rude, surely the rest of us have the "right" to call them on it?

Also...

However it was NOT out of line...... THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE!!!

You do realize that those two statements have absolutely nothing to do with one another, don't you?

 

[jwinslow]

Explain to me how you can feel it is wrong to boo but not for others to do so. It is either right or wrong. Our culture is full of the relative truth crap where we should tolerate everything... which is absurd. It is either ok or it's not.

Frequency of a wrong act doesn't make it right. People cheating on their taxes is still illegal, regardless of how many people do it.

These players don't owe us anything. They owe us their hard work and effort and keeping their noses clean. It's a game because it's a competition where we never know for sure what we'll happen out there.

What about the right of these players to be supported as buckeyes? Lydell Ross doesn't deserve to be booed either. I really wanted him to sit the bench all of his senior year when he didn't show improvement, but that doesn't mean I have the right to boo him. The guy constantly worked his tail off and earned the right to be a team captain for some reason. And his redeeming characteristics are rarely if ever found in the type of people who would boo a player.

Your arguments about other people trashing Zwick, or spreading lies about him transferring without any proof, is absurd. All you're doing is throwing out other things that are horrible, not proof that booing is anything short of deplorable.

 

[bukIpower]

It is possible to discuss a player's performance, and even criticize it, while still showing the player himself respect. This is not the case with booing.

If you think it would be wrong for you to boo, why do you think it's ok for someone else?

You mention it as their "right" - how so? I don't think anyone is talking about jailing these people... and if the booers have the "right" to be rude, surely the rest of us have the "right" to call them on it?
NO its not possible to criticize the players and still show them respect? Because the point you guys are making is 'it can't help the kid' and I agree with that. However it can't help the kid the way we talk about him on here either. I stated its their 'right' because simply you guys are bashing fellow fans or fair weather fans (I doubt they're fair weather fans since they braved the cold today) for booing. What you're missing here is that what we do on these boards is no different then booing them in our stadium.

Hell I'd rather be boo'd that way I can just think their trying to say my nick name "woo". If I see on here "f*** you, you shouldn't be wearing a uniform" I'd be quite hurt.

As for the question how its not ok for you to boo, but for others to boo....

Not one time did I come out and say that. You guys are coming away with my rebutels with what you guys want to believe I said in the worst way.

I said all booing is unexceptable, but what I'm argueing is that its no different from what some of us do on these boards.

ok I just checked my chicklets ........


come on because I'm sayin booing is no different than when we trash talk players on this board? You guys just dont' wanna hear that you guys are just as WRONG as the fans at the stadium today at one point or another. Hell I am too.... I've put players down on here, but I guess none of you guys have put these boys down, and all of you are true buckeye fans who do no wrong.... (kinda sounded like the scene from Rocky IV when the russian lady is rambling on).

By the way where's Dihard? I just was wonder'n

 

[ysubuck]

I also noticed that Troy Smith seems to have gotten a free pass for bringing shame and national ridicule on the university.

All Justin Zwick did was kick the shit out of Oklahoma State on a bad hamstring after sitting out for 5 weeks.

Really infuriating.

 

[Deety]

It is possible to discuss a player's performance, and even criticize it, while still showing the player himself respect.

If I see on here "f*** you, you shouldn't be wearing a uniform" I'd be quite hurt.

Well, I'd say that would be bashing, and that would be just as wrong. Criticism would be more along the lines of "he's throwing off his back foot a lot."

You guys are coming away with my rebutels with what you guys want to believe I said in the worst way.

Nah, I just think you're misguided - horribly misguided - on this one. Otherwise I'd've dinged you by now.

 

[ScarletFever]

haha f*** me? I SAID I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONEHowever it was NOT out of line...... THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE!!! EVERYWHERE!

First of all you are contradicting yourself. If it should not have been done then there is something wrong with it and it is out of line.

Thus far this kid has not performed to his expectations here, I agree. Despite his problems though he has not given up and deserted his team, (as he could have) rather he is working very hard to be a better qb. He is meeting his responsibilities as a student and from all accounts is a good kid and representive of tOSU. So why do we disrespect one of our own kids!According to you, because we do it to the opposition and its common place in sports to boo the ump so its alright to boo one of our student athletes during a supbar PRACTICE. Say what?? Get a clue!! Razzing the opposition is not even close to being the same thing...neither is razzing an ump.. To single this kid out and make him feel inferior (as that is how I would have felt) when all HE IS DOING IS TRYING TO GET BETTER ANYHOW is just wrong period. Don't try to justify stupidity by with nonsense. Booing him isn't going to create the all american qb we want him to be and I'm sure he desperatly wants to be.

 

[bukIpower]

All smith did was beat michigan, and lead us to a 4-1 record, and sadly thats all most of the fans remember. Sorry, but thats how it goes.

Trust me I was all for actually kicking smith OUT of school when he did it, but tressel knows best and he kept him around. So with that I'm going to support him no matter what. Just like I support Zwick no matter what...

Its not like I'm supporting Smith and not Zwick. I'm arguing a completely different matter. Talking about cowards right how about the people who give chicklets have to tell the person before they get them?

Scarlet Fever I just gave you a positve post if you must know. You're correct.


I'll drop it now because most of you are obviously taking this the wrong way. I'm not saying I would boo because I certainly wouldn't. However I'm certainly stating that all of us fans are definatly WRONG at one time or another and its just as wrong to call them out because you all know damn well you're in the same boat at one time or another.