Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

[jwinslow]

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Hawaii
Northern Illinois
Western Michigan
Indiana
Rutgers
Minnesota
Illinois

Outcome and execution was way different. Scheme was not.

 

[Jaxbuck]

From 11W today

"I can look myself in the mirror and say did I do everything I can for this team and these kids and the coaches for Buckeye Nation and just work as hard as I can do," Beck said. "We’re all human. We’re all gonna make some mistakes now and then. Nobody’s perfect. But the goal is to try to shoot for that. And that’s what I do."

No fuckhead, you don't have to be perfect to beat a team with 1/3 the talent that you have.

You just need to be competent.

 

[Buckeye86]

From 11W today



No fuckhead, you don't have to be perfect to beat a team with 1/3 the talent that you have.

You just need to be competent.

Incompetently failing to run a coherent offense lasted from the last whistle of Va Tech (when they decided Warriner calling plays on the sideline wouldn't work) to the opening whistle of Michigan (when they put Warriner in the booth).

MSU is the only time it resulted in a loss.

Don't run option plays with Cardale. Find a way other than running wildcat for one 3 and out series per game to get Braxton the ball. Run uptempo to keep the defense off balance.

Pretty simple stuff that Beck was shockingly incapable of grasping the entire season.

I am happy beyond words they brought Studrawa on board to keep Beck away from the responsibility of play calling he so utterly failed at.

 

[jwinslow]

Incompetently failing to run a coherent offense lasted from the last whistle of Va Tech (when they decided Warriner calling plays on the sideline wouldn't work) to the opening whistle of Michigan (when they put Warriner in the booth).

We're not going to see run sieve like that in any game of consequence. To quote Michigan fans:

11/15/2015
(2 votes)
OMG stop. Just stop. Bend but dont break? If Rudock and Chesson dont have career games we lose to Indiana. When the defense is playing so bad that your game managing quarterback needs to throw 6 touchdowns to win the game it's far beyond bend but dont break.

Who was the coach when Wisconsin ran the ball 14 times in a row because our defense couldn't stop them? Last night Indiana ran the ball 17 times in a row because our defense couldn't stop them. Don't give props to our defense because Kevin Wilson channeled his inner Pete Carroll and threw the ball on 4th and goal. Had he ran Howard like he should have it would have been 18 times in a row and probably a touchdown.

We were bailed out by Kevin Wilson being a dumbass for one play, Delano Hill not being called for holding, and Jake Rudock having the best game of his life. The defense was garbage.

Their LBs were always trash, but once they lost Glasgow (on top of Mone & Mario being out), they were a disaster against the run.

Don't run option plays with Cardale. Find a way other than running wildcat for one 3 and out series per game to get Braxton the ball. Run uptempo to keep the defense off balance.

They could not run option with anyone for large stretches. We should have been treated the the greatest triple option at OSU in half a century but instead they couldn't even block consistently enough for the pop pass.

I am happy beyond words they brought Studrawa on board to keep Beck away from the responsibility of play calling he so utterly failed at.

Can Stud talk Urban out of going to his QB run happy place when things get tight? Doubtful.

Can Stud help develop the much more promising OT talent that OSU has to work with this year? Absolutely. That should prevent the MSU cowardice.

 

[cdiddy70]

Good to see that he finally spoke to the media.
I don't know who should be blamed for last years total lack of identity on offense and regression of the pass game to high school levels. We simply had no core competencies until the last 2 games. When we switched back from "we don't run the read option", to we do run it. We basically used 1.5 of our weapons. Zeke and J.T. running.
The MSU game ranks as the smelliest coaching job in my memory.
From where I sit the loss of Herman was massively understated.

There is one coach who we haven't hear from in months.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Michigan may have been trash against the run, but 1) it was The Game and 2) at least OSU exploited their weakness. They had not shown the desire or ability to identify and exploit a defensive weakness. Michigan and ND games showed simple corrections like the much mentioned slants and pitching to Braxton Miller. I blame Beck for this.

I get what the offense tried to do in the beginning with Cardale. Urban and staff just had no one adequately prepared to plan or develop that type of offense.

 

[Buckeye86]

We're not going to see run sieve like that in any game of consequence. To quote Michigan fans: Their LBs were always trash, but once they lost Glasgow (on top of Mone & Mario being out), they were a disaster against the run.
They could not run option with anyone for large stretches. We should have been treated the the greatest triple option at OSU in half a century but instead they couldn't even block consistently enough for the pop pass.
Can Stud talk Urban out of going to his QB run happy place when things get tight? Doubtful.

Can Stud help develop the much more promising OT talent that OSU has to work with this year? Absolutely. That should prevent the MSU cowardice.

There was basically one difference between the 2014 and 2015 offense... okay two: complacency and Tim Beck.

We'll call it 50/50 on blame for one of the most shameful wastes of talent I've ever seen.

Oh, but the problem went away (good defense or bad) when Warriner was in the booth.

I'll call it 75/25 with the further question of which came first, Beck's incompetence which directly fed into the players lack of motivation (see: EzE comments post MSU) or the players complacency feeding into Beck's incompetence?

It was a vicious cycle that Beck's terrible performance in the booth was clearly a huge part of.

 

[jwinslow]

There was basically one difference between the 2014 and 2015 offense... okay two: complacency and Tim Beck.

chase Farris tried very hard at a position he could not play. Contrast that "2 step and panic" situation with the picnics Cardale often enjoyed in the trilogy. It wouldn't matter if Devin came back because no qb would have been able to look his way by the time he came open.

There was definitely a complacency problem but a motivated group would still have had that glaring blocking flaw derailing their offense (and it wasn't just chase). No pop pass. No screens. No passes that take more than 2 seconds. Absolutely no triple option.

We'll call it 50/50 on blame for one of the most shameful wastes of talent I've ever seen.

Oh, but the problem went away (good defense or bad) when Warriner was in the booth.

I'll call it 75/25 with the further question of which came first, Beck's incompetence which directly fed into the players lack of motivation (see: EzE comments post MSU) or the players complacency feeding into Beck's incompetence?

It was a vicious cycle that Beck's terrible performance in the booth was clearly a huge part of.

the booth is a fun and much safer talking point. The alternative is noticing the striking similarities in the fire Herman and fire Beck criticisms, right down to the overreliance on qb runs.

Beck has his flaws, and that scheme was a mess, but he is third in command when it comes to the offense.

 

[matcar]

chase Farris tried very hard at a position he could not play. Contrast that "2 step and panic" situation with the picnics Cardale often enjoyed in the trilogy. It wouldn't matter if Devin came back because no qb would have been able to look his way by the time he came open.

There was definitely a complacency problem but a motivated group would still have had that glaring blocking flaw derailing their offense (and it wasn't just chase). No pop pass. No screens. No passes that take more than 2 seconds. Absolutely no triple option.
the booth is a fun and much safer talking point. The alternative is noticing the striking similarities in the fire Herman and fire Beck criticisms, right down to the overreliance on qb runs.

Beck has his flaws, and that scheme was a mess, but he is third in command when it comes to the offense.

True. Then mix in Meyer changing offensive identity twice and then QB conundrum. Meyer owns this as much/ more than Beck. All lessons learned.

 

[Buckeye86]

chase Farris tried very hard at a position he could not play. Contrast that "2 step and panic" situation with the picnics Cardale often enjoyed in the trilogy. It wouldn't matter if Devin came back because no qb would have been able to look his way by the time he came open.

There was definitely a complacency problem but a motivated group would still have had that glaring blocking flaw derailing their offense (and it wasn't just chase). No pop pass. No screens. No passes that take more than 2 seconds. Absolutely no triple option.
the booth is a fun and much safer talking point. The alternative is noticing the striking similarities in the fire Herman and fire Beck criticisms, right down to the overreliance on qb runs.

Beck has his flaws, and that scheme was a mess, but he is third in command when it comes to the offense.

Herman criticism boils down to a few isolated plays or a few series. He managed a highly efficient offense 80% or the time and absolutely abused bad defenses.

Beck managed to be efficient approximately 0% of the time and made the worst defenses on the schedule look above average.

Additionally, if Beck wasn't the problem, why was Warriner put in the booth for the final two games? The most frustrating thing to me is why the blatant problem wasn't addressed earlier.

 

[jwinslow]

Herman criticism boils down to a few isolated plays or a few series. He managed a highly efficient offense 80% or the time and absolutely abused bad defenses.

Beck managed to be efficient approximately 0% of the time and made the worst defenses on the schedule look above average.

Just to be clear, I'm not equating the two. That said, Herman was running the offense, and may have actually had the freedom to be 1B in the pecking order during the trilogy. When has beck ever been 2nd in the pecking order for the offense? It wasn't his QB choice or scheme.

If you can't block people, there aren't many good playcalls in the book, particularly with inconsistent passers. You certainly can't call 75 counters in a row behind fake pop passes (which were also guaranteed 4-6+ yd plays every time) like Herman could on his way out.

 

[Buckeye86]

Just to be clear, I'm not equating the two. That said, Herman was running the offense, and may have actually had the freedom to be 1B in the pecking order during the trilogy. When has beck ever been 2nd in the pecking order for the offense? It wasn't his QB choice or scheme.

If you can't block people, there aren't many good playcalls in the book, particularly with inconsistent passers. You certainly can't call 75 counters in a row behind fake pop passes (which were also guaranteed 4-6+ yd plays every time) like Herman could on his way out.

Warriner managed to turn things around and make the offense look good. Was Michigan's (or ND's) defense significantly worse than Northern Illinois?

 

[buckeyesin07]

Warriner managed to turn things around and make the offense look good. Was Michigan's (or ND's) defense significantly worse than Northern Illinois?

Bingo. Here are a few stats that seem relevant:

Hawaii was #104 out of 127 in total defense, surrendering 448.8 yards/game. We gained 363.
NIU was #87 out of 127, surrendering 418.4 yards/game. We gained 298.
W. Michigan was #82 out of 127, surrendering 413.7 yards/game. We gained 288.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Bingo. Here are a few stats that seem relevant:

Hawaii was #104 out of 127 in total defense, surrendering 448.8 yards/game. We gained 363.
NIU was #87 out of 127, surrendering 418.4 yards/game. We gained 298.
W. Michigan was #82 out of 127, surrendering 413.7 yards/game. We gained 288.

I just re-punched the wall I had spent the off-season repairing. Thanks.

 

[jwinslow]

Warriner managed to turn things around and make the offense look good. Was Michigan's (or ND's) defense significantly worse than Northern Illinois?

again, was Beck calling the plays? Because I think he was third behind urban and Ed... yet he is being used as the fall guy.

The move meant Ed stopped trying to also coach the OL and now there is someone to handle that job he stopped doing against Michigan.

I agree they still under achieved severely despite the blocking woes. I disagree strongly with isolating all of that anger and throwing it at the new guy.