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    Tibor (Pittsburgh, PA): Last year Mel Kiper called Lofa Tatupu a "reach." Given that, why should we listen to anything the draft experts say. For all you know, Jay Cutler will be the next Cade McNown.

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    Chris Mortensen: (11:54 AM ET ) You are right. It's your choice on how much weight you give to the "experts." Me, I go by what I consider strong info from the best evaluators, especially those with proven track records in the league. I also think that it carries a lot of weight when former QBxs like Jaws, Simms and Young weigh in with the idential evaluations on the QBs (Cutler). The only guy I heard compared to McNown, by the way, was Leinart. But I think he landed in a great spot - another part of the equation.
     
    He actually makes a pretty good point with Mort.

    Maybe it was another person who actually has a brain that used that name.

    I can't see Tibs coming up with a plausible comment like that.
     
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    Just because someone is considered a "reach" does not mean that he will not be a good or even a great player. It's all about where you took him and if you could have traded down and still got him. Thus, they criticize the Bills for taking Whitner "early" when they could have traded down and taken him with a later pick (15-16). But it's all academic. They said the Bengals "reached" for Levi Jones, but he's worked out pretty well.
     
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    GoBucks89 said:
    Just because someone is considered a "reach" does not mean that he will not be a good or even a great player. It's all about where you took him and if you could have traded down and still got him. Thus, they criticize the Bills for taking Whitner "early" when they could have traded down and taken him with a later pick (15-16). But it's all academic. They said the Bengals "reached" for Levi Jones, but he's worked out pretty well.
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    Actually, I haven't heard many people complain about the Whitner pick since the draft, more so about the McCargo pick at the end of the 1st.
     
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    GoBucks89 said:
    Just because someone is considered a "reach" does not mean that he will not be a good or even a great player. It's all about where you took him and if you could have traded down and still got him. Thus, they criticize the Bills for taking Whitner "early" when they could have traded down and taken him with a later pick (15-16). But it's all academic. They said the Bengals "reached" for Levi Jones, but he's worked out pretty well.
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    Very true. Obviously no team will tell what they are truly thinking. For all the Bengals knew, the team picking behind them might have been thinking about "reaching" as well.

    And maybe the Bills were trying to trade down, but nobody really wanted to move up to that spot (maybe unlikely given that some teams may have wanted a chance on Leinert) or the Bills didn't like how far down it would move them in the 1st round.
     
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    The thing with McCargo is that if Buffalo drafted Youboty at the end of the 1st round, and then grabbed McCargo in the 2nd, no one would second guess them one bit. The situation would be the same, but no one would be bitching (just that Youboty would be lined up for more money, and McCargo less, but otherwise.....)
     
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    Actually, I haven't heard many people complain about the Whitner pick since the draft, more so about the McCargo pick at the end of the 1st.
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    I've heard plenty of 'experts' complain about whitner... it's just that they go on to rip on the mccargo pick a lot more (since he was not projected as a first rounder).
     
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    jwinslow said:
    I've heard plenty of 'experts' complain about whitner... it's just that they go on to rip on the mccargo pick a lot more (since he was not projected as a first rounder).
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    Boy, we must be reading different articles b/c surprisingly I haven't read much ripping on the Whitner pick.

    I expected to read alot of it but haven't seen much.
     
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    according to another board, this haul by the Bengals got a C+ by Mel Kiper. Sure Bustin Smith has not lived up to the #4 selection and Sean "Sewer" Brewer was a laughable pick (the guy has zero catches in NFL history), the rest speaks for itself:

    2001
    Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
    1 4 Justin Smith DE Missouri
    2 36 Chad Johnson WR Oregon State
    3 66 Sean Brewer TE San Jose State
    4 100 Rudi Johnson RB Auburn
    5 135 Victor Leyva T Arizona State
    6 168 Riall Johnson OLB Stanford
    7 204 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR Oregon State
     
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