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Thoughts on military retirement

The KSB

4-4-11/11-5-11
So the Army has told me I’m retiring on July 1st this year. To be quite frank it’s probably only the third time the Army has made the decision I wanted them to. The first time was when I was accepted to Officer Candidate School. The second time was when they accepted me into the Acquisition Corp. Since I first put the uniform on November 14 1989 it has been a hell of a ride and quite frankly I'm lucky to be alive. I can’t say it’s always been fun, I can’t say it’s always been interesting. I can say if I had the chance to do it all over again I wouldn’t do too many things differently. That being said the uniform has gotten a bit heavy the last couple of years. Those of you who have worn the uniform know what I’m talking about.

As I sit here I have so many conflicting emotions I can’t really make sense of them. Part of me feels the Army has used me and is throwing me away to make way for younger, hungrier, less broken officers (it is). It would be hypocritical of me to be angry, I’ve used the Army just the same way. It paid for my college, it showed me the best and worst parts of the world, and it turned me into a more thoughtful, deliberative human being. The last four years that I’ve been an acquisitions officer have given me business training, opportunities, experiences, and contacts that would make most people envious. Spoiler alert, I plan on wasting it and going to work for the Air Force as a civilian acquisition officer.

I’ve had the opportunity to witness true evil. I’ve looked into the pleading eyes of women and children as they kneelt over the bodies of their loved ones. I could see it on their faces, they were asking me why. I never knew.

I’ve met men who would go on to consciously and voluntarily give everything they were and would be to the man next to them. Their smiles haunt me. I’ve written letters to parents telling them the story of how their sons lived their final days, how they died bravely, that I would always keep their memory. As time goes on I more often find myself wondering what they would be doing now if they were still alive. Would they be married with sons and daughters? Would they still be in, or would they have headed off to college? Pointless questions, but I ask myself them anyway.

Too many times I’ve embraced and cried with my wife and children as I’ve headed off to war. I’ve felt infinite joy when I came home to them. I’ve missed birthdays, anniversaries, concerts, plays, date nights, and countless other things because Army demands that it comes first. I’ve also taken them to see Paris, London, Rome, Barcelona, and countless other European cities that I wouldn’t have if not for the Army.

At the end of the day the Army (Marine Corp, Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard) is not a living thing. It has no feelings, it’s not capable of love. I however am capable of feelings, and can say that I love the Army and can’t think of anything else I would have rather been doing.
 
Sounds like you've lived quite a life. Without experiencing many of those things, I can't comment much intelligently except to say it sounds like you have more than earned your retirement, so I hope it treats you well.
 
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I assume they're HYTing you. Are you a Major? My math says you'll retire with about 28 1/2 years service...that's way more than enough. The AF HYT'd me in 2001 (E-8 HYT was 26 years then)...I was ready to retire. What GS grade will you be? GS-12?
 
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Not sure what HYTing is. But yeah I'm getting to formally retire. It will be as a captain. Branch transferred to acquisitions about 4 years ago. I picked up a lot of certifications that I keep as a civilian. Plus I worked some major programs. If I would be willing to stay in Jersey I would get a GS 14 position. I would prefer not to stay here though. Jersey is too crowded and expensive. Wright Patterson is a major acquisition center for the Air Force. They have GS 14 positions and I have the qualifications. However, My experience isn't as directly transferable as it would be here so I'm guessing a 12 or 13.

Edit: I looked up hyt. Yeah, it's the same thing but the Army calls it something different for officers.
 
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I am former Air Force active duty and currently a GS-12 at Wright-Patt (NASIC). I just glanced at the locality pay difference between Dayton, OH and NJ and it is quite substantial. Let me know if you have any questions about the area or base. Thank you for your service and congratulations on your retirement!
 
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Not sure what HYTing is. But yeah I'm getting to formally retire. It will be as a captain. Branch transferred to acquisitions about 4 years ago. I picked up a lot of certifications that I keep as a civilian. Plus I worked some major programs. If I would be willing to stay in Jersey I would get a GS 14 position. I would prefer not to stay here though. Jersey is too crowded and expensive. Wright Patterson is a major acquisition center for the Air Force. They have GS 14 positions and I have the qualifications. However, My experience isn't as directly transferable as it would be here so I'm guessing a 12 or 13.

Edit: I looked up hyt. Yeah, it's the same thing but the Army calls it something different for officers.

I retired from a DoD facility in Columbus Ohio as a GS-13. We had military officers there too. The GS-13 was basically the equivalent of a Major. Likewise a GS-12 = Captain, GS-14 = Lt Col, and GS-15 = Col.

Not sure what HYTing is. But yeah I'm getting to formally retire. It will be as a captain. Branch transferred to acquisitions about 4 years ago. I picked up a lot of certifications that I keep as a civilian. Plus I worked some major programs. If I would be willing to stay in Jersey I would get a GS 14 position. I would prefer not to stay here though. Jersey is too crowded and expensive. Wright Patterson is a major acquisition center for the Air Force. They have GS 14 positions and I have the qualifications. However, My experience isn't as directly transferable as it would be here so I'm guessing a 12 or 13.

Edit: I looked up hyt. Yeah, it's the same thing but the Army calls it something different for officers.

Just sayin': As you probably know promotions through the civilian grades (i.e. GS-12 ..... GS-15) are very competitive (i.e. just like military officers, 0-3......0-6). Frequently it is easier to transfer at the same grade than get a promotion. If you are looking for career advancement you might consider taking the GS-14 in New Jersey and down the road (if you are unhappy) look into transferring back to Ohio at that grade.
 
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I retired from a DoD facility in Columbus Ohio as a GS-13. We had military officers there too. The GS-13 was basically the equivalent of a Major. Likewise a GS-12 = Captain, GS-14 = Lt Col, and GS-15 = Col.



Just sayin': As you probably know promotions through the civilian grades (i.e. GS-12 ..... GS-15) are very competitive (i.e. just like military officers, 0-3......0-6). Frequently it is easier to transfer at the same grade than get a promotion. If you are looking for career advancement you might consider taking the GS-14 in New Jersey and down the road (if you are unhappy) look into transferring back to Ohio at that grade.

Thanks for the advice. Career advancement is not a thing for me. As long as I'm enjoying what I do and make enough to house, feed and clothe my family I'm good. There are separate quality of life thing that push me towards Ohio vs New Jersey. Not to mention how outrageously expensive real estate is here and how crowded it is.
 
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Thanks for the advice. Career advancement is not a thing for me. As long as I'm enjoying what I do and make enough to house, [Zeke] and clothe my family I'm good. There are separate quality of life thing that push me towards Ohio vs New Jersey. Not to mention how outrageously expensive real estate is here and how crowded it is.

Everyone has to make a decision that is best for themself and their family; and I see your point.

For those that aren't familiar with the government's General Schedule (GS) pay scale the difference between the annual salary of a GS-12 and a GS-14 is over 30K a year.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/salary-tables/pdf/2017/saltbl.pdf
 
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Not sure what HYTing is. But yeah I'm getting to formally retire. It will be as a captain. Branch transferred to acquisitions about 4 years ago. I picked up a lot of certifications that I keep as a civilian. Plus I worked some major programs. If I would be willing to stay in Jersey I would get a GS 14 position. I would prefer not to stay here though. Jersey is too crowded and expensive. Wright Patterson is a major acquisition center for the Air Force. They have GS 14 positions and I have the qualifications. However, My experience isn't as directly transferable as it would be here so I'm guessing a 12 or 13.

Edit: I looked up hyt. Yeah, it's the same thing but the Army calls it something different for officers.
Are you a Major? A retired Major getting a GS-12 or GS-13 position would be doing just fine. Just be advised that property taxes in Dayton are fucking retardedly high. A good friend of mine (retired E-8, currently a GS-13 I believe with 16-17 years) has a house in Dayton that's worth about $200k and pays well over $6k a year in property taxes.
 
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