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The Very Mythical Bowl Conference Championship (BCS)

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Besides the BCS games I have a feeling this isn't going to be a good bowl year for the Big 10. If scum can't beat Nebraska Iowa and Wisky are going to have to be on their games to win. Having 2 BCS teams is hurting all of the Big 10 teams under us, but I guess that just makes us look better. If we didn't make it to a BCS game I think the Big 10 wins all of their bowl games. On the other hand I think we would have a greater chance of losing to Auburn than ND.
 
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exhawg said:
Besides the BCS games I have a feeling this isn't going to be a good bowl year for the Big 10. If scum can't beat Nebraska Iowa and Wisky are going to have to be on their games to win. Having 2 BCS teams is hurting all of the Big 10 teams under us, but I guess that just makes us look better. If we didn't make it to a BCS game I think the Big 10 wins all of their bowl games. On the other hand I think we would have a greater chance of losing to Auburn than ND.
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Yeah, it could turn sour quickly. when what looks like the biggest lock for the conference turns into a loss (thanks, LLLLLoyd) the Big 10 could end up with an overall losing record in bowl games.
But, you never know.
I know of one "W" for sure!
 
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Tipdogusaf said:
i was really expecting the big 10 to do good this year. going in i thought the only one we should lose is the auburn wisky game and maybe the ucla nw game.
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See NightmaresDad in the "Slow Start" thread - I think that just about says it all. Defense is the glaring omission - you have to be able to defend 3 score leads. There is still hope.
 
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LLLLoyd vs. Coop and Tressel

Remember how Cooper was great at starting the season like a ball of fire and ending it 0-2?

1988 - Loss to ttun, no bowl
1989 - Loss to ttun, lost HOF (now Outback) Bowl (Auburn)
1990 - Loss to ttun, lost Liberty Bowl (Air Force)
1991 - Loss to ttun, lost HOF/Outback Bowl (Syracuse)
1992 - Tied ttun, lost Citrus Bowl (Georgia)
1993 - Loss to ttun, won Holiday Bowl (BYU)
1994 - Beat ttun, lost Citrus Bowl (Alabama)
1995 - Loss to ttun, lost Citrus Bowl (Tennessee)
1996 - Lost to ttun, won Rose Bowl (Arizona St.)
1997 - Loss to ttun, lost Sugar Bowl (Florida St.)
1998 - Beat ttun, won Sugar Bowl (Texas A&M)
1999 - Loss to ttun, no bowl
2000 - Loss to ttun, lost Outback Bowl (South Carolina)

6 seasons, finished 0-2; twice finished 0-1 and didn't play in a bowl game; once finished 0-1-1. That makes 0-15-1 in 9 of Cooper's 13 seasons. Twice Cooper won his bowl game after a loss to ttun; one season beat ttun but lost bowl, making him 3-3 in those seasons.

And once, ONCE, Cooper finished the season 2-0 (1998) in his 13 glorious seasons. Overall, Cooper finished 5-18-1. 2-10-1 against ttun, 3-8 in bowls. Man, I'd almost forgotten what a dark time it was.

Since Tressel showed up on campus, here's how LLLoyd's boys have finished out the year.

2005 - Loss to OSU, loss in Alamo Bowl (Nebraska)
2004 - Loss to OSU, loss in Rose Bowl (Texas)
2003 - Beat OSU, loss in Rose Bowl (USC)
2002 - Loss to OSU, won Outback Bowl (Florida)
2001 - Loss to OSU, loss in Citris Bowl (Tennessee)

In 3 of 5 years he's gone 0-2. Overall, in five years, ttun has finished up 2-8. Now look at his first six years on the job, when he was going against Cooper.

2000 - Beat OSU, won Citrus Bowl (Auburn)
1999 - Beat OSU, won Orange Bowl (Alabama)
1998 - Lost to OSU, won Citrus Bowl (Arkansas)
1997 - Beat OSU, won Rose Bowl (Wash. State) - Nat'l Co-champs
1996 - Beat OSU, lost Outback Bowl (Alabama)
1995 - Beat OSU, lost Alamo Bowl (Texas A&M)

Over this 6-year period LLLLoyd went 9-3. Complete reversal.

LLLLoyd's 5-6 in bowls overall and 6-5 against the Buckeyes.

Of course, Tressel is 4-1 against ttun and 3-1 in bowls. Twice he's gone 2-0 in the final two games, and we're hoping this year will be season #3. He's never gone 0-2.

It's nice to see the shoe on the other foot, idn't it?
 
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I didn't want to start another "my conference is bigger than your conference" thread, so I'll add my stuff here. This is a file I've maintained for a few years, now completely updated for Big-10 bowl results through 2005/06.

In the BCS era (1998 - Present), every Big Ten team except Indiana has appeared in at least one bowl game, and every team to appear in a bowl game except Northwestern has registered at least one victory. The ten teams who have appeared in bowl games have all done so as recently as 2001.

One team (Michigan) has made a bowl appearance in every year, posting a .500 winning percentage (4-4), and three more (Wisconsin, Purdue, Ohio State) have made a bowl appearance in seven of the eight years since 1998, with the Buckeyes and Badgers sporting .714 winning percentages (5-2) in bowl competition. Only two teams (Northwestern, Purdue) of the ten teams to have participated in bowls have a losing record in bowl play over the eight year span.

In this same period of time, the Big Ten has seen eight different teams claim part of a conference crown (Michigan/Ohio State/Wisconsin 1998, Wisconsin 1999, Michigan/Northwestern/Purdue 2000, Illinois 2001, Iowa/Ohio State 2002, Michigan 2003, Michigan/Iowa 2004, Ohio State/Penn State 2005).

The Big Ten has one automatic qualifier in the Bowl Championship Series, and has a 4-4 record against BCS opponents in those eight automatic-berthed BCS games. Of the remaining at large BCS spots, a Big Ten team has claimed a berth five times in the BCS's eight years, posting a 4-1 record against for a cumulative 8-5 record in BCS bowl games.

The following are Big Ten representatives' records against the other BCS conferences in all bowl competition since 1998:
<pre>ACC 2-2<br>Big East 1-0<br>Big XII 7-4<br>Pac Ten 5-7<br>SEC 11-10<br>Independants 1-0</pre>
The Big Ten has met non-BCS conference schools twice (Bowling Green, Fresno State) in bowl matchups since 1998:
<pre>MAC 0-1<br>WAC 1-0</pre>
Bowl appearances by team in the BCS era (1998 - Present):
<pre>Illinois<br>1999 MicronPC.com W 63-21 Virginia<br>2001 Sugar L 47-34 LSU<br><br>Iowa<br>2001 Alamo W 19-16 Texas Tech<br>2002 Orange L 17-38 USC<br>2003 Outback W 37-17 Florida<br>2004 Capital One W 30-25 LSU<br>2005 Outback L 24-31 Florida<br><br>Michigan<br>1998 Citrus W 45-31 Arkansas<br>1999 Orange W 35-34 (OT) Alabama<br>2000 Citrus W 31-28 Auburn<br>2001 Citrus L 17-45 Tennessee<br>2002 Outback W 38-30 Florida<br>2003 Rose L 14-28 USC<br>2004 Rose L 37-38 Texas<br>2005 Alamo L 28-32 Nebraska<br><br>Michigan State<br>1999 Citrus W 37-34 Florida<br>2001 Silicon Valley Classic W 44-35 Fresno State<br>2003 Alamo L 3-17 Nebraska<br><br>Minnesota<br>1999 Sun L 20-24 Oregon<br>2000 MicronPC.com L 30-38 North Carolina State<br>2002 Music City W 29-14 Arkansas<br>2003 Sun W 31-30 Oregon<br>2004 Music City W 20-16 Alabama<br>2005 Music City L 31-34 Virginia<br><br>Northwestern<br>2000 Alamo L 17-66 Nebraska<br>2003 Motor City L 24-28 Bowling Green<br>2005 Sun L 38-50 UCLA<br><br>Ohio State<br>1998 Sugar W 24-14 Texas A&M<br>2000 Outback L 7-24 South Carolina<br>2001 Outback L 28-31 South Carolina<br>2002 Fiesta W 31-24 (2OT) Miami (Fla.)<br>2003 Fiesta W 35-28 Kansas State<br>2004 Alamo W 33-7 Oklahoma State<br>2005 Fiesta W 34-20 Notre Dame<br><br>Penn State<br>1998 Outback W 26-14 Kentucky<br>1999 Alamo W 24-0 Texas A&M<br>2002 Capital One L 9-13 Auburn<br>2005 Orange W 26-23 (3OT) Florida State<br><br>Purdue<br>1998 Alamo W 37-34 Kansas State<br>1999 Outback L 25-28 (OT) Georgia<br>2000 Rose L 24-34 Washington<br>2001 Sun L 27-33 Washington State<br>2002 Sun W 34-24 Washington<br>2003 Capital One L 27-34 (OT) Georgia<br>2004 Sun L 23-27 Arizona State<br><br>Wisconsin<br>1998 Rose W 38-31 UCLA<br>1999 Rose W 17-9 Stanford<br>2000 Sun W 21-20 UCLA<br>2002 Alamo W 31-28 (OT) Colorado<br>2003 Music City L 14-28 Auburn<br>2004 Outback L 21-24 Georgia<br>2005 Capital One W 24-10 Auburn</pre>
 
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I guess what I've done is similar to Dryden. Also similar to sandgk. The difference is that I'm looking at only the BCS bowls since 1998. I gave teams 1 point for simply making it to a BCS bowl, and 2 more points for winning that game (giving the winning team 3 points). If that game happens to be the NC game, points are doubled (2 for losing, 6 for winning).

Currently, Ohio State is winning. Winning three non-NC BCS games gives them 9, plus the 6 for the NC gives them 15. Miami is next with 14, and Oklahoma and Fla State each have 13. USC has 12. If they win, they'll take first place, with 18 points. If they lose, they'll at least move into a tie for second, with 14.
 
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