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nomatta
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No way in heck I'd fire Holtmann for the likes of Boals and Moser. Not right now, at least.
I know it befuddles the minds of OSU fans who can't recognize the differences between college football and college basketball, but in his career since his last season at GWebb, Holtmann's been one of the most consistently solid coaches in the whole country.
The argument is whether we can have a better ceiling than what we've seen. Win the B1G on occasion, get a S16 or better. We've come close to big achievements and won a lot of big games and a 2-seed last season is nothing to sneeze at, despite what happened against OBob. But can Holtmann actually get over that hump where the success is more tangible? That I don't know. But you don't try to materialize a higher ceiling over what we've got with Holtmann by hiring a guy like Boals. You've got to aim way higher.
Now maybe a mid-major coach or one at a lesser program can really show enough that you take that risk (Boals possibly could with time), especially if there's any downturn in what Holtmann's doing on the court or in recruiting, but at the moment I wouldn't say there's any prime candidates in that "up-and-comer" category.
I know it befuddles the minds of OSU fans who can't recognize the differences between college football and college basketball, but in his career since his last season at GWebb, Holtmann's been one of the most consistently solid coaches in the whole country.
The argument is whether we can have a better ceiling than what we've seen. Win the B1G on occasion, get a S16 or better. We've come close to big achievements and won a lot of big games and a 2-seed last season is nothing to sneeze at, despite what happened against OBob. But can Holtmann actually get over that hump where the success is more tangible? That I don't know. But you don't try to materialize a higher ceiling over what we've got with Holtmann by hiring a guy like Boals. You've got to aim way higher.
Now maybe a mid-major coach or one at a lesser program can really show enough that you take that risk (Boals possibly could with time), especially if there's any downturn in what Holtmann's doing on the court or in recruiting, but at the moment I wouldn't say there's any prime candidates in that "up-and-comer" category.
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This.
He's the basketball coach at Ohio State.
Run a clean program, put a competitive team on the floor and root like hell for the football team to be excellent because when it is, no one gives a shit about basketball.
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Fungo Squiggly
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It’s exhausting that every game thread where the Bucks lose turns into a “fire Holtman” thread. I mean….yeah, they choked that game away. But why does Holtman get the blame for the struggle at the end but no credit for the success leading up to that point? Similarly, in the X game, he gets the blame for them falling behind but no credit when the team fought back and had it a one possession game. It’s college basketball — teams are going to lose multiple games every season, even games they should win. It sucks but it happens.
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No excuse whatsoever for sitting there with a timeout to use and watching the O panic and rush a shot. A coach has to be in that moment. Holt is consistently not in the moment. He has many great attributes but glaringly blind in timeout usage and forgetting guys he left on the bench.
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OhioState001
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I mean yea if we want an average team and never want to aspire to anything then just keep Holtmann, I'm glad you only care about football but other people don't. But even Gene Smith said at the end of last year he expects this program to do better and go farther in the NCAAs. It has more money than most programs in the country, outside of the obvious programs of Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, MSU, Indiana, etc. There's no reason OSU shouldn't be in the next category of teams. They can at least do what Bo Ryan did at Wisconsin
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OhioState001
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Jeff Boals knows Ohio. He can recruit (D'Angelo Russell). He's gotten the most out of every team he has coached so far. The only thing you can say is that he doesn't have a long track record yet but he's certainly on that trajectory. And OSU could get him cheap, if it doesn't work out no big deal. I'm pretty confident he can do at least as well as Holtmann
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Here's the difference - OSU doesn't need to be cheap.
As for the bolded - you're wrong. You're taking a coach who checks all of the AD's boxes for an unknown. If it doesn't work out, and one of those boxes aren't checked, you've set your program even further behind (by your own measure).
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It's semantics of how you define success. I'd define success as a consistent top half of the B1G team, frequently in the field of 64 and an occasional Sweet 16 kind of team.
Of course on those outlier years, when you are a #2 seed, don't lose to a fucking 15 seed. That should go without saying.
For the record, I care about basketball like I care about any other non football OSU sport. I hope they are excellent at it but at the end of the day, we're a football school.
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Onebuckfan
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Our backup QB (4 th stringer) has a million dollar NIL deal..if we had Holmgren he wouldn’t get that deal. If we recruit players 10 to 40..then we can be top 10 and maybe 2 or 3 in conference..anything above is over achieving. We overachieved last year and got upset bad.
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Jake
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A Georgia fan trolling in basketball is one of the more clueless things I've seen - six conference titles in 130 years.
Definitely would rather lose by 25 points than a 25-footer at the buzzer. I just hope we're there in March.
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Yep, saw that when It happened and rewinded to show the wife when she asked me why I was cussing so loud. And this happened right in front of the ref, no excuse for that.
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nomatta
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D'Angelo committed to Thad, not Boals. I followed that recruitment closely and the number one reason DAR picked OSU was Thad. He loved Thad.
Not trying to hate on Boals, he's a solid coach, but he really hasn't done enough yet to make me confident that he'd do as well or better as Holtmann is doing. The toughest thing to judge is the recruiting. Would he recruit better than Holtmann is doing right with Branham, the 2022 class, GW3? Possibly, but I am skeptical.
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Systems_id
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This is me right now. I’ll admit that I’ve barely watched five minutes of basketball so far this year. Too emotionally invested in football and the negativity just makes it not fun to follow.
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I have only caught about half of the season so far, but I can bring you up to speed. We are having early season struggles like we have had in a lot of past seasons, and the same predictable fans are freaking out. Honestly, it was a very disappointing loss. But it is a long season and I think we have the pieces for a good team, we just are still figuring out how to make them work together.
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