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bucknut4life

bucknut4life

even chuck norris fears laurinaitis
OK...ill admit it..Most of the season i have not been a believer that an undefeated Big East team should play in the NC before a one loss SEC team..

I am now a 100% believer..

Ive taken the last week and just done some reading, compared stats and scores, and finally I have given Louisville the nod..

Win out, i think you all should play in the NC..

Am i crazy?

Should i switch to decaf?

Whats everyones take on Louisville as of late
 
bucknut4life;656515; said:
Whats everyones take on Louisville as of late
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I'll tell you tomorrow - they play Rutgers tonight, in New Jersey. That should be an interesting game.

The SEC is no powerhouse conference this year, so an undefeated BCS team should get the nod over a one-loss SEC squad.
 
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LordJeffBuck;656552; said:
I'll tell you tomorrow - they play Rutgers tonight, in New Jersey. That should be an interesting game.

The SEC is no powerhouse conference this year, so an undefeated BCS team should get the nod over a one-loss SEC squad.
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agreed, im anxious for toKNIGHTS game as well..
 
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scooter1369;656553; said:
My take is that after tonight, all of this is moot. Rutgers takes 'em down.
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I agree with Scooter here.

While Rutgers defense hasn't played a decent offense yet, the are better than any defense that Louisville has faced. Statistical analysis of this game actually suggests that Rutgers is a very slight favorite (I posted the details in the game's thread). And Rutgers is at home and has had 10 days to prepare for this game.

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In fairness I should point out ahead of time that if the red birds rout the red kniggts (sic - Monty Python reference) that I still won't be entirely sold on them. But it is hard to point to a team that would deserve a shot more than them.
  • USC - If they finish with one loss, it will have been to the wrong OSU
  • Texas - They lost at home. Granted it was to #1, but they would either be stepping up to a neutral field vs. #1, or to a neutral field vs. the team that beat #1 on the road (God Forbid literally).
  • SEC - Every team in that league has significant flaws. More significant than Louisville? Questionable, but not enough that they shouldn't be held to the same standard as Louisville (unbeaten).
  • Notre Dame - Blown Out -- next question
  • Any ACC team - :slappy:
  • 11/18 loser - ?????
The argument against the 11/18 loser, and the argument against Texas for that matter, is the old "They had their shot" argument. But the rules as they are set up say that it should be #1 vs. #2. Back to the other other hand, there are no rules or guidelines for the pollsters. Are #1 and #2 the two best teams at the time? Or are they the best teams based on the whole body of work (the whole season)? Or are they simply the teams that have been moved into those positions based on the weekly adjustments made by each pollster? Or are they just the teams that the pollsters want to see in the NC game?

If it is supposed to be the two best teams, the loser of the OSU-Mich game and Texas need to be in the discussion. If USC improves over the next weeks, they should be in the discussion. If Florida improves offensively over the next weeks, they should be in the discussion.

I'm not really sure that Louisville can do anything to convince me that they are truly among the two best teams.

But is that really the criterion by which this debate is decided?
 
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DaddyBigBucks;656619; said:
I agree with Scooter here.

While Rutgers defense hasn't played a decent offense yet, the are better than any defense that Louisville has faced. Statistical analysis of this game actually suggests that Rutgers is a very slight favorite (I posted the details in the game's thread). And Rutgers is at home and has had 10 days to prepare for this game.
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10 DAYS???? Thank God it isn't Saint Charlie and Notre Dame!!!!!
 
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Well, enjoy your short lived ride on the Louisville bandwagon, because they are going to lose tonight at Rutgers. If they win out, they'll be in the title game. Now for that title game.........I can't help but imagine what kind of ass whooping that would be......
 
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No I am not on this bandwagon.

Here is why. Look at the teams they have played:

Kentucky
Temple
@Miami
@K state
@MTSU
Cincy
@Cuse'
WVU

So here is the thing. Any team ranked in the top 25 could win the games against Kentucky, Temple, @ K state, @MTSU, Cincy, @Cuse.

The only relatively tough games they have had are @Miami, but that isnt even tough this year.

Then the game against WVU. Why is this a big game. B/C both teams have played schedules that just about any team in the top 25 would go undefeated against.

I think Us, Florida, Auburn, USC, Michigan, Texas, Wisky, Cal, and the list goes on: could of been undefeated against that schedule.

Then you reverse the roles and put the Ville' in the schedule of some of the other teams. Could they be undefeated if they would of have played with our schedule, Uf's, UT's, Auburn's, etc.

This is why I hate all this Big East talk. Yeah the teams have good records, but what team have threy really gone up against that was worth a damn in terms of talent and speed. Look at where the teams in the Big Least finish in terms of recruiting rankings. They arent bringing in the game changers like the top teams, but they are bringing in more talent than the other not so great teams in the big East. Now I am not saying that just b/c you recruit higher ranked players you are guaranteed to win, but it is usually the bigger, faster, players that are ranked higher, and a school like Louisville isnt playing those teams. They are beating up on teams that they are bringing in bigger, faster, stronger players than.

So to answer the question, even if they beat another team from the Big Least that is undefeated tonite who had their toughest game against @ South Fl they are overrated and would lose by 2 tds againsts some of the teams I mentioned above.
 
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I'm very glad Louisville beat WVU. They seem to play a less gimmicky variety of football. They scheduled Miami, so they at least attempted to compensate for the big east.

I think Mandel had a pretty good article... Louisville is suspect, but unlike most years, is there really a deserving team behind them? Now if an SEC team wins out with 1 loss, I still think that's hard to ignore.

So, I'm not convinced that Louisville is a #3, but I'm not sure who belongs there instead. My gut says texas, but Louisville could probably carve up their pass D.
 
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crazybuckfan40;656661; said:
No I am not on this bandwagon.

Here is why. Look at the teams they have played:

Kentucky
Temple
@Miami
@K state
@MTSU
Cincy
@Cuse'
WVU

So here is the thing. Any team ranked in the top 25 could win the games against Kentucky, Temple, @ K state, @MTSU, Cincy, @Cuse.

The only relatively tough games they have had are @Miami, but that isnt even tough this year.

Then the game against WVU. Why is this a big game. B/C both teams have played schedules that just about any team in the top 25 would go undefeated against.

I think Us, Florida, Auburn, USC, Michigan, Texas, Wisky, Cal, and the list goes on: could of been undefeated against that schedule.

Then you reverse the roles and put the Ville' in the schedule of some of the other teams. Could they be undefeated if they would of have played with our schedule, Uf's, UT's, Auburn's, etc.

This is why I hate all this Big East talk. Yeah the teams have good records, but what team have threy really gone up against that was worth a damn in terms of talent and speed. Look at where the teams in the Big Least finish in terms of recruiting rankings. They arent bringing in the game changers like the top teams, but they are bringing in more talent than the other not so great teams in the big East. Now I am not saying that just b/c you recruit higher ranked players you are guaranteed to win, but it is usually the bigger, faster, players that are ranked higher, and a school like Louisville isnt playing those teams. They are beating up on teams that they are bringing in bigger, faster, stronger players than.

So to answer the question, even if they beat another team from the Big Least that is undefeated tonite who had their toughest game against @ South Fl they are overrated and would lose by 2 tds againsts some of the teams I mentioned above.
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I agree that the schools you mentioned would have been undefeated against The 'Ville's schedule.

That leaves us with the argument, "is it supposed to be the two best teams"? Or is it supposed to be the teams that have "earned it", whatever that means?

As I said before, I'm not sold on Louisville if #2 in Glendale has to be the 2nd best team in College Football. But if they go undefeated, they will have earned it as much as anyone. See my post above for clarification if needed.

One minor thing: Louisville played Miami at Home; not on the road. (doesn't detract from your point)
 
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On my BP Top 25 ballot, I have had Louisville #3 since Week 7. I had them in the Top 5, ahead of even West Virginia, since watching the WVU/Maryland game in Week 4.

That said, Louisville occupies #3 on my list by default, because every other team has flaws. The Cards have been sliding up slowly but surely as Florida, Auburn, and others suffer defeats. I think Louisville is solid as is, yet the question would be moot if Brohm had never been injured and Michael Bush had been healthy all season. I don't know what to make of the Cards, perhaps in spite of the injuries, or because of them, but I'm even more impressed at the way they've displayed the depth which is what separates the Big Boys (tm) from the Mid Majors.

If Louisville gets past Rutgers tonight, I think they will have earned it.
 
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If the BCS doesn't think a Big East team should be in the BCS then get them out of the BCS system. I know this was all different before Miami, VT, etc left for the ACC, but the BCS shouldn't be bitching if a Big East team goes undefeated.

Do I think Lou'ville is the 3rd best team in the country? HELL NO! However, the BCS must lay in the bed they made.

HAYN
 
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hawaiianbuckeye;656697; said:
If the BCS doesn't think a Big East team should be in the BCS then get them out of the BCS system. I know this was all different before Miami, VT, etc left for the ACC, but the BCS shouldn't be bitching if a Big East team goes undefeated.

Do I think Lou'ville is the 3rd best team in the country? HELL NO! However, the BCS must lay in the bed they made.

HAYN
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Great post, I agree... all the conferences involved agreed to the rules specified by the BCS and none have a reason to whine unless there is a scenario of more than two unbeatens in the major conferences... won't happen this year.
 
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I think the thing to think about with Louisville this season is that Brohm missed several games with injury and still wasn't 100% for the WVU game. Mike Bush got knocked out in their first game against UK who would have been a probable first round pick. Even with Hunter Cantwell at QB that managed to beat down a bowl eligible KState team on the road. Kentucky, KState and da U should all be bowling. According to Pat Forde on sportscenter they had 10 of 12 SEC schools turn down games with them. The diffrence to me between the 'ville and WVU is that Louisville actually made an effort to get some good teams on their schedule. When KState and Miami deals were made those probably looked like good matchups at the time. I say give them a shot and let the Big East prove it on the field if they run the table.
 
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