Team Meeting and Presser (Merged)

[KevinBuck]

OK, who are you posting with that ID, and what have you done with the real KevinBuck?

Just kidding, KB, I agree with you on this.

R D R R :tongue2:

Strohs, the testing is obviously more drug-oriented, since as you mention alcohol testing is limited by time; I think the program's focus on alcohol will have more to do with education, prevention, and "counseling and follow-up care" (from the Dispatch).

 

[LloydSev]

Urine tests almost always test for alcohol.. it's one of the easiest things to test...

And you should NEVER have alcohol in your system when you are participating in a team function..

They aren't piss testing you at home, they're doing it at the WHAC right? That's what I'd assume..

No one is coming in at 2:30AM and kidnapping you, running you to the WHAC and making you piss and then dumping you back in front of your dorm...

 

[Zurp]

How are they going to be testing for alcohol?
I have never heard of a drug test involving it.
Its only in your system for a few hours.

Testing for alcohol is easy, to confirm what LloydSev said. And you're right, it is in your system for only a few hours. When I get my random drug tests at work, I always get a breathalizer. I asked the lady once about how drunk you need to have gotten the night before to fail the breathalizer at 9:00 the next morning. She said that you'd have to be REALLY drunk, though usually people fail it because of mouthwash.

Who has a drink or two right before or during practice? I guess if you're dumb enough to do that, you SHOULD be kicked off the team.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

And the ones that arnt 21, drinking is a part of college life, I dont see why they cant be allowed to have a normal college life (they are STUDENT-athletes).

There's this thing called "the law". Pot is also part of normal college life but it, too, is illegal.

 

[sandgk]

To expand on this, yesterday Hooley mentioned that Gene Smith was on a tour around the State to visit with the editors of the major Ohio newspapers. This is also sorely needed and a step hopefully in stopping the grinding of the axe that has gone on over the past few years.

Bearing Olive Branches Gene Smith visits with editors!

Guess that is a true sign of the Times, ...

..... the Enquirer, the Daily News, the Herald and the Dispatch.

 

[jwinslow]

SPlus, half the team is 21+ (like Schaefer), you cant do anything to them for drinking.
And the ones that arnt 21, drinking is a part of college life, I dont see why they cant be allowed to have a normal college life (they are STUDENT-athletes).S

You can do something to them when their drunkenness leads to police intervention (I realize you meant testing, I was just countering). Cutting class is also the normal college life, but that does not make that acceptable behavior especially for a student-athlete who is stretched thin (timewise) as it is.

Contrary to many beliefs on here, the sky is not falling. The seniors need to start being vigilantes, the team needs to start doing 6 AM workouts (if that were possible at this time of the year, which I do not think it is, someone correct me), and the coaches need to start getting in the ear of everyone. However, smoking pot, having an unpaid parking ticket, and getting in a little fight that got broken up are hardly serious crimes.

Skeete apparently is being dealt with already according to Alan and others, and he is the only disturbing crime.

If self-policing is raised to another level, and practices become awful until people's behavior shapes up, then the behavior should change. If the desire to not let your friends down and make them suffer through more torturous practices is not enough, then stiffer penalties will not change the end result either.

 

[seedubya]

What hasn't been reported is:

Not reported is the fact that the football program is in a lock-down mode.

Smith told JT that he had to lay down the law, so Tressel did. The next one to screw up is gone. Period, and end of story.

 

[Oh8ch]

Smith told JT that he had to lay down the law, so Tressel did. The next one to screw up is gone. Period, and end of story.

That is directly counter to everything I am reading. Do you have a source for this news that is not being reported? Or are you just passing on rumors and making it up as you go along?

 

[casey_buckeye]

Not reported is the fact that the football program is in a lock-down mode.

Smith told JT that he had to lay down the law, so Tressel did. The next one to screw up is gone. Period, and end of story.

So if Ted Ginn gets a speeding ticket, he is gone? I don't buy it at all! I could understand if the next player to screw up had previously screwed up, but kicking the next player off that screws up wouldn't be right.

 

[osugrad21]

Contrary to many beliefs on here, the sky is not falling.

I don't see much "sky is falling" proclamations on here...I do see people wanting change. As a graduate of the school, a lifelong fan, and one who deals with kids in similar circumstances, I feel I have the right to that opinion.

If self-policing is raised to another level, and practices become awful until people's behavior shapes up, then the behavior should change. If the desire to not let your friends down and make them suffer through more torturous practices is not enough, then stiffer penalties will not change the end result either.

Self-policing has limits...Tyson Walter/LeCharles Bentley? Not needed at this time.

So you are telling me that 6 am torture practices will have just as much effect as seeing someone lose their scholarship?

 

[jwinslow]

I agree everyone has a right to want more out of this program. And we definitely do need a change badly. I'm just saying that there are ways to change the tone of this program without overbearing punishments that don't fit the crime.

I think if someone is caught vandalizing or something that is sort of in the middle of the spectrum of bad behavior, I think that is someone who could be used as an example. However I have a big problem saying that in order to restore order we are going to crucify the next person for something minor.

If making your fellow player's lives miserable for weeks on end does not cause you to change your behavior, then you are not the kind of player we want at our university. If the only thing that will get you in line is to have scholarships taken away, then you have some serious character flaws and are a rotten apple we do not need.

I think if an individual shows no willingness to help his team by changing (perhaps haw continues to smoke weed or MDA gets in more fights), and then screws up again, that is worth taking away a scholarship. However it is not right to punish someone who has kept his act together, and then gets in a fight he did not start that would have been unintelligent to not protect himself.

 

[osugrad21]

Agree for the most part, but why is it asking too much for a kid to learn from the mistakes of others? Instead, we have kids seeing the slaps on the wrists and knowing they have a few strikes to burn...

I'm not saying throw kids out or take scholarships for minor indiscretions, but I am asking for harsher punishments.

I know my philosophy is not JT's...but I follow the old saying: "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force him to drink."

When kids start feeling like they are in control...teams start breaking apart.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Not reported is the fact that the football program is in a lock-down mode.

Smith told JT that he had to lay down the law, so Tressel did. The next one to screw up is gone. Period, and end of story.

Source?

 

[Oh8ch]

why is it asking too much for a kid to learn from the mistakes of others?

That may be the most relevant question we can ask about this entire mess.

Once you have kids of your own you may continue to ask this question, but you will no longer expect it to happen. It is just not the way kids work. I didn't work that way and I really doubt that you did either.

 

[osugrad21]

I didn't work that way and I really doubt that you did either.

Bullshit...I was perfect