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Plenty of blame to go around here. The teacher's attitude is unacceptable for an educator, and is dismissive of all of her students. What if your son or daughter were in her class, trying to get the most out of it? What about students who could actually do well if she hadn't already apparently given up on them? If the teacher is not willing to find a more fulfilling career she should be shown the door.

Also, it sounds like some degenerate students should be failing.

It's a shame that the system is in such a state that neither one will happen.
 
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I believe both sides have responsibilities.

If this is truly occurring:

"They are rude, disengaged, lazy whiners. They curse, discuss drugs, talk back, argue for grades, complain about everything, fancy themselves entitled to whatever they desire, and are just generally annoying."
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Then there needs to be a means of consequences or (if there are) she needs to get a spine.
 
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"They are rude, disengaged, lazy whiners. They curse, discuss drugs, talk back, argue for grades, complain about everything, fancy themselves entitled to whatever they desire, and are just generally annoying."
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Take away the cursing, drugs, and arguing about grades and you have a description of a lot of people.

I seriously wonder what this woman thought being a high school English teacher was going to be like.
 
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jlb1705;1875389; said:
Plenty of blame to go around here. The teacher's attitude is unacceptable for an educator, and is dismissive of all of her students. What if your son or daughter were in her class, trying to get the most out of it? What about students who could actually do well if she hadn't already apparently given up on them? If the teacher is not willing to find a more fulfilling career she should be shown the door.

Also, it sounds like some degenerate students should be failing.

It's a shame that the system is in such a state that neither one will happen.
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I do not see how her attitude is dismissive of all of her students. Sadly, those in education tend to dwell on the negative way too much. For example, in a class of say 25, if there are 5 who are as bad as described in her blog, it is those 5 that educators' tend to focus on, talk about, complain about. They do not talk about the other 20. It is a "flaw" with the way many folks are wired I guess.

Look, I knew there was no way in hell I could ever teach below the college level. I knew I would have students like me and I couldn't say what really needed to be said because of parents. Now at the college level, I have students that remind me of how I was as a student but I can say exactly what I want to without worrying about parents.

But she has hit upon an area that no one wants to really address, I mean really address, and that is the role of parents. Singularly, the most important aspect of K-12 education is the role of the parent. Any child who has parental involvement (meaningful and correct) will be just fine. It is when parents get "involved" by undermining teachers' at home, agreeing with the son/daughter that the material is too difficult or the teacher must not be that good because their little precious isn't "learning" because there is no 'A' on the grade card, that is when the beginning of the end happens. (Then there are those parents who simply do not give a rats' ass).

I have PSEO students in my Calculus courses. Usually, they are the better students. Over the past 10 years their numbers have increased dramatically. I have only had to "deal" with a parent one time. The parent emailed me inquiring about her daughter's grade. I replied that due to FERPA I couldn't discuss her daughter's grade with her. Her reply back to me was that her daughter had signed papers waiving her FERPA rights and that I could legally discuss her grade with her. My final reply was that even though her daughter waived her FERPA rights, that did not mean that I had to discuss grades with her....that regardless of one's age, the moment they enter my college classroom I treat them as an adult, hence as an adult I would gladly discuss grades with the student but the adult's mother. I believe she complained to a dean maybe a VP as well, but to no avail.

I remembered that exchange (and still do) and at every parent-teacher conference I attend for my own children, I make sure to thank the teacher for all they do and all they put up with. That small taste must pale in comparison to what they deal with daily.

As a side note, after coaching travel level youth baseball for 9 years (this will be my 10th but I don't consider it youth anymore) I see how some parents are quite simply (and nicely) enablers. Many are doing a damn good job of ruining youth sports, so it is no surpirse they would negatively impact K-12 education.

So if you want to make a step towards meaningful systemic change, you have to change parents first. Get parents to support, not undermine, teachers at home. Get parents to be an active participant in the education of their children. Get parents to stop whining about grades, badgering teachers about grades, and by all means to stop complaining about the teacher when little Joey/Susie encounters difficulty in a class. Get the kid to study more, work harder, limit the goddamn time on the X-Box and Facebook and the goddamn new appendage called the cell phone. Yeah, it can be difficult but isn't that part of parenting?

But seriously, to ensure children do not start out on the wrong path, all youth level soccer programs should be outlawed. That game shouldn't be allowed until kids are at least in 5th/6th grade. And for the love of god, keep and post the real score for T-ball games. The kids know every game doesn't end in a tie, they aren't stupid. Stop fucking lying to them and take the winning team to an ice cream shop..... don't bring snacks for everyone.

EDIT - Holy shit this was way too long...almost Gatoresque. For that I apologize
 
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buckiprof;1875454; said:
I do not see how her attitude is dismissive of all of her students. Sadly, those in education tend to dwell on the negative way too much. For example, in a class of say 25, if there are 5 who are as bad as described in her blog, it is those 5 that educators' tend to focus on, talk about, complain about. They do not talk about the other 20. It is a "flaw" with the way many folks are wired I guess.

Look, I knew there was no way in hell I could ever teach below the college level. I knew I would have students like me and I couldn't say what really needed to be said because of parents. Now at the college level, I have students that remind me of how I was as a student but I can say exactly what I want to without worrying about parents.

But she has hit upon an area that no one wants to really address, I mean really address, and that is the role of parents. Singularly, the most important aspect of K-12 education is the role of the parent. Any child who has parental involvement (meaningful and correct) will be just fine. It is when parents get "involved" by undermining teachers' at home, agreeing with the son/daughter that the material is too difficult or the teacher must not be that good because their little precious isn't "learning" because there is no 'A' on the grade card, that is when the beginning of the end happens. (Then there are those parents who simply do not give a rats' ass).

I have PSEO students in my Calculus courses. Usually, they are the better students. Over the past 10 years their numbers have increased dramatically. I have only had to "deal" with a parent one time. The parent emailed me inquiring about her daughter's grade. I replied that due to FERPA I couldn't discuss her daughter's grade with her. Her reply back to me was that her daughter had signed papers waiving her FERPA rights and that I could legally discuss her grade with her. My final reply was that even though her daughter waived her FERPA rights, that did not mean that I had to discuss grades with her....that regardless of one's age, the moment they enter my college classroom I treat them as an adult, hence as an adult I would gladly discuss grades with the student but the adult's mother. I believe she complained to a dean maybe a VP as well, but to no avail.

I remembered that exchange (and still do) and at every parent-teacher conference I attend for my own children, I make sure to thank the teacher for all they do and all they put up with. That small taste must pale in comparison to what they deal with daily.

As a side note, after coaching travel level youth baseball for 9 years (this will be my 10th but I don't consider it youth anymore) I see how some parents are quite simply (and nicely) enablers. Many are doing a damn good job of ruining youth sports, so it is no surpirse they would negatively impact K-12 education.

So if you want to make a step towards meaningful systemic change, you have to change parents first. Get parents to support, not undermine, teachers at home. Get parents to be an active participant in the education of their children. Get parents to stop whining about grades, badgering teachers about grades, and by all means to stop complaining about the teacher when little Joey/Susie encounters difficulty in a class. Get the kid to study more, work harder, limit the goddamn time on the X-Box and Facebook and the goddamn new appendage called the cell phone. Yeah, it can be difficult but isn't that part of parenting?

But seriously, to ensure children do not start out on the wrong path, all youth level soccer programs should be outlawed. That game shouldn't be allowed until kids are at least in 5th/6th grade. And for the love of god, keep and post the real score for T-ball games. The kids know every game doesn't end in a tie, they aren't stupid. Stop fucking lying to them and take the winning team to an ice cream shop..... don't bring snacks for everyone.

EDIT - Holy shit this was way too long...almost Gatoresque. For that I apologize
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Lord Tebow forgives you
 
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I would think that someone who teaches AP courses would know enough to realize that once you put something out on the net it's bound to get back to you.

She had a great title for her blog: Where are We Going and Why are We in this Handbasket?

But here's the blog so you can judge for yourself. "Reap what you sew" comes to mind as you check out the student's comments. Ouch!


http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...d=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
 
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buckiprof;1875454; said:
I do not see how her attitude is dismissive of all of her students. Sadly, those in education tend to dwell on the negative way too much. For example, in a class of say 25, if there are 5 who are as bad as described in her blog, it is those 5 that educators' tend to focus on, talk about, complain about. They do not talk about the other 20. It is a "flaw" with the way many folks are wired I guess.

Look, I knew there was no way in hell I could ever teach below the college level. I knew I would have students like me and I couldn't say what really needed to be said because of parents. Now at the college level, I have students that remind me of how I was as a student but I can say exactly what I want to without worrying about parents.
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I advise undergrads for a teacher education program, and I see a bit of both. I think most any teacher is going to have their share of frustration with the handful of students in every class that are beyond help. There are also some people though who just don't have the proper disposition to handle a classroom effectively. Her comments make me think she is part of the former group and not the latter. In the program I advise for at least, I'm certain that her words/actions would've led to her failing a practicum.

You were able to identify yourself as somebody who just isn't cut out to teach at the K-12 level. I'm similar in that respect. Some of my students though don't seem to have that kind of self-awareness. They're determined to be teachers in spite of the fact that they can't stand children, don't like school or aren't good at math or science. Just based on her writings and her reaction to the controversy, I'd say she lacks that self-awareness.

buckiprof;1875454; said:
But she has hit upon an area that no one wants to really address, I mean really address, and that is the role of parents. Singularly, the most important aspect of K-12 education is the role of the parent. Any child who has parental involvement (meaningful and correct) will be just fine. It is when parents get "involved" by undermining teachers' at home, agreeing with the son/daughter that the material is too difficult or the teacher must not be that good because their little precious isn't "learning" because there is no 'A' on the grade card, that is when the beginning of the end happens. (Then there are those parents who simply do not give a rats' ass).

I have PSEO students in my Calculus courses. Usually, they are the better students. Over the past 10 years their numbers have increased dramatically. I have only had to "deal" with a parent one time. The parent emailed me inquiring about her daughter's grade. I replied that due to FERPA I couldn't discuss her daughter's grade with her. Her reply back to me was that her daughter had signed papers waiving her FERPA rights and that I could legally discuss her grade with her. My final reply was that even though her daughter waived her FERPA rights, that did not mean that I had to discuss grades with her....that regardless of one's age, the moment they enter my college classroom I treat them as an adult, hence as an adult I would gladly discuss grades with the student but the adult's mother. I believe she complained to a dean maybe a VP as well, but to no avail.

I remembered that exchange (and still do) and at every parent-teacher conference I attend for my own children, I make sure to thank the teacher for all they do and all they put up with. That small taste must pale in comparison to what they deal with daily.

As a side note, after coaching travel level youth baseball for 9 years (this will be my 10th but I don't consider it youth anymore) I see how some parents are quite simply (and nicely) enablers. Many are doing a damn good job of ruining youth sports, so it is no surpirse they would negatively impact K-12 education.

So if you want to make a step towards meaningful systemic change, you have to change parents first. Get parents to support, not undermine, teachers at home. Get parents to be an active participant in the education of their children. Get parents to stop whining about grades, badgering teachers about grades, and by all means to stop complaining about the teacher when little Joey/Susie encounters difficulty in a class. Get the kid to study more, work harder, limit the goddamn time on the X-Box and Facebook and the goddamn new appendage called the cell phone. Yeah, it can be difficult but isn't that part of parenting?

But seriously, to ensure children do not start out on the wrong path, all youth level soccer programs should be outlawed. That game shouldn't be allowed until kids are at least in 5th/6th grade. And for the love of god, keep and post the real score for T-ball games. The kids know every game doesn't end in a tie, they aren't stupid. Stop fucking lying to them and take the winning team to an ice cream shop..... don't bring snacks for everyone.

EDIT - Holy shit this was way too long...almost Gatoresque. For that I apologize
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I agree with this part, except soccer. In fact, I want to expand on it a bit. In Missouri, State Senator Jane Cunningham (R) has introduced a bill to dismantle child labor laws in that state:

http://www.stlbeacon.org/voices/blo...m-defends-proposal-to-change-child-labor-laws

Part of her rationale, as quoted in the article, is that current labor laws "prevent parents from teaching a work ethic to their children".

I know I'm turning this into a political thread, but I just wanted to place further emphasis on the point. Children already have a job - school - and it's the responsibility of parents to hold them accountable for their performance and behavior on that job. That point has been forgotten by a lot of people across this country.
 
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jlb1705;1875650; said:
I advise undergrads for a teacher education program, and I see a bit of both. I think most any teacher is going to have their share of frustration with the handful of students in every class that are beyond help. There are also some people though who just don't have the proper disposition to handle a classroom effectively. Her comments make me think she is part of the former group and not the latter. In the program I advise for at least, I'm certain that her words/actions would've led to her failing a practicum.

You were able to identify yourself as somebody who just isn't cut out to teach at the K-12 level. I'm similar in that respect. Some of my students though don't seem to have that kind of self-awareness. They're determined to be teachers in spite of the fact that they can't stand children, don't like school or aren't good at math or science. Just based on her writings and her reaction to the controversy, I'd say she lacks that self-awareness.



I agree with this part, except soccer. In fact, I want to expand on it a bit. In Missouri, State Senator Jane Cunningham (R) has introduced a bill to dismantle child labor laws in that state:

http://www.stlbeacon.org/voices/blo...m-defends-proposal-to-change-child-labor-laws

Part of her rationale, as quoted in the article, is that current labor laws "prevent parents from teaching a work ethic to their children".

I know I'm turning this into a political thread, but I just wanted to place further emphasis on the point. Children already have a job - school - and it's the responsibility of parents to hold them accountable for their performance and behavior on that job. That point has been forgotten by a lot of people across this country.
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I agree, to many parents school is nothing more than free daycare.
 
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Muck;1875634; said:
Look people stop the jibber jabber & get down to brass tacks...is this teacher hot or not?
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You asked for it.

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