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I was watching a special on HBO about Mickey Mantle this morning and learned some eye-opening stats about him. His last 4 years were not very good and I looked his career numbers up...he had 100+ RBI only 4 times in his career (102-130-128-111) I couldn't believe that.

I also know Hank Aaron's highest HR total was 47. Joe DiMaggio only had 2200 hits and 361 HRs.

I know numbers aren't the entire story and these guys are GREAT players, but it got me thinking......

What are some numbers, stats or facts about some of our heroes that may be eye-opening (ANY SPORT) I am talking about guys that are always portrayed as one of the best ever, but it could be b/c of post-season heroics, or maybe the media loved them, or one defining play. For example, Bill Mazeroski has 2000 hits and is a .260 hitter.

Here is a site I found that is pretty thorough, especially baseball, but there is a section for football and basketball also.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/
 
I think for me, being the pro football guy I am, looking at HOFer Bob Waterfield is the most striking. He threw for only 11,849 yards in 8 seasons (though he did lead the league twice), and his TD/INT ratio is a rather ghastly 97/128, giving him a QB rating of only 61.6.

By contrast, John Brodie, who is not in the Hall, threw for 31,548 yards, and his TD/INT was 214/224. He was in the league top 10 in yards and TDs 10 times, and led the league 3 times in yards, 2x in TDs.

For a comparison to modern players the Hall will laugh at (eras being way different of course), Gus Frerotte has thrown for 18093 and his ratio is 95/79, and Elvis Grbac threw for 16,769, with a ratio of 99/81.
 
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Bucklion said:
I think for me, being the pro football guy I am, looking at HOFer Bob Waterfield is the most striking. He threw for only 11,849 yards in 8 seasons (though he did lead the league twice), and his TD/INT ratio is a rather ghastly 97/128, giving him a QB rating of only 61.6.

By contrast, John Brodie, who is not in the Hall, threw for 31,548 yards, and his TD/INT was 214/224. He was in the league top 10 in yards and TDs 10 times, and led the league 3 times in yards, 2x in TDs.

For a comparison to modern players the Hall will laugh at (eras being way different of course), Gus Frerotte has thrown for 18093 and his ratio is 95/79, and Elvis Grbac threw for 16,769, with a ratio of 99/81.
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It's tough with QBs as that part of football has changed so much. Joe Namath was respected enough in his time to go to five pro bowls and he got a ring, but here are his career stats:

140 games; 1886 completions; 3762 attempts; 50.1 completion %age; 27663 yards ; 7.4 yards per attempt 173 TDs; 220 INTs; and negligible rushing yards.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
It's tough with QBs as that part of football has changed so much. Joe Namath was respected enough in his time to go to five pro bowls and he got a ring, but here are his career stats:

140 games; 1886 completions; 3762 attempts; 50.1 completion %age; 27663 yards ; 7.4 yards per attempt 173 TDs; 220 INTs; and negligible rushing yards.
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Namath's numbers always have amazed.
 
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Tyrus, it's not really what you're looking for but the way Gretsky's records completely dominate hockey, particularly points (both season and career) are unreal compared to any player not named Gretsky.

Most 200 point seasons: 4. The NHL has a record for most 100 point seasons (owned by Gretzky), but not most 200 point seasons, probably because Gretzky is the only one who has scored 200 points.
Most consecutive 200 point seasons: 3.
Most 90 goal seasons: 1. As with 200 point seasons, Gretzky is the only player to achieve this.

If you took away ever goal he scored (Which, by the way is a record 894) he'd still be the all time points leader on assists alone (1,963) by almost 80 points.

Like I say, it's not really what you're looking for, but it's playstation amazing if you ask me.
 
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Here are the career #'s for Gale Sayers, who, before his injury, was considered one of the most spectacular backs of all time. Even before getting hurt, his #'s are nothing spectacular for a modern back


*****Hall of Fame***** Regular Season Stats <TABLE class=pt8 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=5> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=11>PASSING</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=5>RUSHING</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=5>RECEIVING</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=5>FUMBLES</TD></TR><TR class=statHead><TD class=cen>Year</TD><TD class=cen>AGE</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD class=cen>LG</TD><TD class=cen>GP</TD><TD class=cen>ATT</TD><TD class=cen>CMP</TD><TD class=cen>PCT</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>YPA</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD><TD class=cen>INT</TD><TD class=cen>SKD</TD><TD class=cen>SKY</TD><TD class=cen>RAT</TD><TD class=cen>RAT+</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=cen>ATT</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>AVG</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD><TD class=cen>LNG</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=cen>REC</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>AVG</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD><TD class=cen>LNG</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=cen>TOT</TD><TD class=cen>OWR</TD><TD class=cen>OPR</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1965</TD><TD class=cen>22</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>66.7</TD><TD class=rht>53</TD><TD class=rht>17.67</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>109.7</TD><TD class=rht>149</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>166</TD><TD class=rht>867</TD><TD class=rht>5.2</TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>61t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>29</TD><TD class=rht>507</TD><TD class=rht>17.5</TD><TD class=rht>6</TD><TD class=rht>80t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>9</TD><TD class=rht>4</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl1><TD class=cen>1966</TD><TD class=cen>23</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>6</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>33.3</TD><TD class=rht>58</TD><TD class=rht>9.67</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>30.6</TD><TD class=rht>45</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>229</TD><TD class=rBld>1231</TD><TD class=rht>5.4</TD><TD class=rht>8</TD><TD class=rht>58t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>34</TD><TD class=rht>447</TD><TD class=rht>13.1</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>80t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1967</TD><TD class=cen>24</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>13</TD><TD class=rht>5</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>39.6</TD><TD class=rht>59</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>186</TD><TD class=rht>880</TD><TD class=rht>4.7</TD><TD class=rht>7</TD><TD class=rht>70 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>16</TD><TD class=rht>126</TD><TD class=rht>7.9</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>32t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>8</TD><TD class=rht>4</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl1><TD class=cen>1968</TD><TD class=cen>25</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>9</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>39.6</TD><TD class=rht>58</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>138</TD><TD class=rht>856</TD><TD class=rBld>6.2</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>63 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>15</TD><TD class=rht>117</TD><TD class=rht>7.8</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>21 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>7</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1969</TD><TD class=cen>26</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>39.6</TD><TD class=rht>55</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rBld>236</TD><TD class=rBld>1032</TD><TD class=rht>4.4</TD><TD class=rht>8</TD><TD class=rht>28 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>17</TD><TD class=rht>116</TD><TD class=rht>6.8</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>25 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>7</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl1><TD class=cen>1970</TD><TD class=cen>27</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>23</TD><TD class=rht>52</TD><TD class=rht>2.3</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>15 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>-6</TD><TD class=rht>-6.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>-6 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1971</TD><TD class=cen>28</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>13</TD><TD class=rht>38</TD><TD class=rht>2.9</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>9 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>7 NFL Season Totals</TD><TD> </TD><TD class=rht>68</TD><TD class=rht>18</TD><TD class=rht>4</TD><TD class=rht>22.2</TD><TD class=rht>111</TD><TD class=rht>6.17</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>31.7</TD><TD class=rht> </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>991</TD><TD class=rht>4956</TD><TD class=rht>5.0</TD><TD class=rht>39</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>112</TD><TD class=rht>1307</TD><TD class=rht>11.7</TD><TD class=rht>9</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>34</TD><TD class=rht>13</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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stxbuck said:
Here are the career #'s for Gale Sayers, who, before his injury, was considered one of the most spectacular backs of all time. Even before getting hurt, his #'s are nothing spectacular for a modern back


*****Hall of Fame***** Regular Season Stats <TABLE class=pt8 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=5> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=11>PASSING</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=5>RUSHING</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=5>RECEIVING</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=title colSpan=5>FUMBLES</TD></TR><TR class=statHead><TD class=cen>Year</TD><TD class=cen>AGE</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD class=cen>LG</TD><TD class=cen>GP</TD><TD class=cen>ATT</TD><TD class=cen>CMP</TD><TD class=cen>PCT</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>YPA</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD><TD class=cen>INT</TD><TD class=cen>SKD</TD><TD class=cen>SKY</TD><TD class=cen>RAT</TD><TD class=cen>RAT+</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=cen>ATT</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>AVG</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD><TD class=cen>LNG</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=cen>REC</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>AVG</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD><TD class=cen>LNG</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=cen>TOT</TD><TD class=cen>OWR</TD><TD class=cen>OPR</TD><TD class=cen>YDS</TD><TD class=cen>TD</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1965</TD><TD class=cen>22</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>66.7</TD><TD class=rht>53</TD><TD class=rht>17.67</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>109.7</TD><TD class=rht>149</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>166</TD><TD class=rht>867</TD><TD class=rht>5.2</TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>61t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>29</TD><TD class=rht>507</TD><TD class=rht>17.5</TD><TD class=rht>6</TD><TD class=rht>80t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>9</TD><TD class=rht>4</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl1><TD class=cen>1966</TD><TD class=cen>23</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>6</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>33.3</TD><TD class=rht>58</TD><TD class=rht>9.67</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>30.6</TD><TD class=rht>45</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>229</TD><TD class=rBld>1231</TD><TD class=rht>5.4</TD><TD class=rht>8</TD><TD class=rht>58t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>34</TD><TD class=rht>447</TD><TD class=rht>13.1</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>80t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1967</TD><TD class=cen>24</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>13</TD><TD class=rht>5</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>39.6</TD><TD class=rht>59</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>186</TD><TD class=rht>880</TD><TD class=rht>4.7</TD><TD class=rht>7</TD><TD class=rht>70 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>16</TD><TD class=rht>126</TD><TD class=rht>7.9</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>32t </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>8</TD><TD class=rht>4</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl1><TD class=cen>1968</TD><TD class=cen>25</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>9</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>39.6</TD><TD class=rht>58</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>138</TD><TD class=rht>856</TD><TD class=rBld>6.2</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>63 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>15</TD><TD class=rht>117</TD><TD class=rht>7.8</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>21 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>7</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1969</TD><TD class=cen>26</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>14</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>39.6</TD><TD class=rht>55</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rBld>236</TD><TD class=rBld>1032</TD><TD class=rht>4.4</TD><TD class=rht>8</TD><TD class=rht>28 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>17</TD><TD class=rht>116</TD><TD class=rht>6.8</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>25 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>7</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl1><TD class=cen>1970</TD><TD class=cen>27</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>23</TD><TD class=rht>52</TD><TD class=rht>2.3</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>15 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>-6</TD><TD class=rht>-6.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>-6 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR class=cl2><TD class=cen>1971</TD><TD class=cen>28</TD><TD>CHI </TD><TD class=cen>NFL </TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.00</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>13</TD><TD class=rht>38</TD><TD class=rht>2.9</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>9 </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0.0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>7 NFL Season Totals</TD><TD> </TD><TD class=rht>68</TD><TD class=rht>18</TD><TD class=rht>4</TD><TD class=rht>22.2</TD><TD class=rht>111</TD><TD class=rht>6.17</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>2</TD><TD class=rht>1</TD><TD class=rht>3</TD><TD class=rht>31.7</TD><TD class=rht> </TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>991</TD><TD class=rht>4956</TD><TD class=rht>5.0</TD><TD class=rht>39</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>112</TD><TD class=rht>1307</TD><TD class=rht>11.7</TD><TD class=rht>9</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=nul> </TD><TD class=rht>34</TD><TD class=rht>13</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD><TD class=rht>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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that YPC is pretty spectacular though.
 
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I know I'm a Red Sox homer, but this is impressive.....

Joe DiMaggio is the only person to play on four World Championship teams in his first four years in the big leagues, the 1936-39 Yankees.
 
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