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Sugar Bowl: #3 Ohio State 49, #2 Clemson 28, Jan 1 in New Orleans

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ScriptOhio said:




This is close to the most tinfoil-hat thing I'll ever write in these here Skull Sessions, but after consulting numerous individuals who know far more about football than I do, I think there's a shocking amount of evidence that suggests Ohio State did exactly what Golic described, sandbagging the hell out of the regular season and actually pulling out its entire playbook for the first time against Clemson.

Does Ryan Day really have big enough balls to show Clemson absolutely nothing useful on film the entire season and dedicate all his efforts to game-planning for the playoffs, knowing his talent can just coast him there? I'll let you decide that. But if that's actually what went down, Bama could be in deep shit, too.

Regardless of how it came together, the game plan and playcalling on Friday night was nothing short of pornographic.
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Nah. We were running the same plays we have used all season. The playbook isn't too complicated, but Day will formation you to death. I would say it was a combination of a VERY underrated receiving core, very overrated Clemson secondary, and anti-sign stealing measures.

The tight end passes were something new to us fans, but they weren't off any new plays. Clemson LBs and safeties are just that bad when they don't know what's coming.
 
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woofermazing said:
Nah. We were running the same plays we have used all season. The playbook isn't too complicated, but Day will formation you to death. I would say it was a combination of a VERY underrated receiving core, very overrated Clemson secondary, and anti-sign stealing measures.

The tight end passes were something new to us fans, but they weren't off any new plays. Clemson LBs and safeties are just that bad when they don't know what's coming.
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agree - the TE passes were the same plays we’ve run, but Justin was clearly coached to find the matchup vs Clemson’s LBs and safeties who honestly struck me as unathletic

Justin went through his full read while still being decisive. Something clicked for him this game
 
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ScriptOhio said:




This is close to the most tinfoil-hat thing I'll ever write in these here Skull Sessions, but after consulting numerous individuals who know far more about football than I do, I think there's a shocking amount of evidence that suggests Ohio State did exactly what Golic described, sandbagging the hell out of the regular season and actually pulling out its entire playbook for the first time against Clemson.

Does Ryan Day really have big enough balls to show Clemson absolutely nothing useful on film the entire season and dedicate all his efforts to game-planning for the playoffs, knowing his talent can just coast him there? I'll let you decide that. But if that's actually what went down, Bama could be in deep shit, too.

Regardless of how it came together, the game plan and playcalling on Friday night was nothing short of pornographic.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ion-against-clemson-in-the-2021-cfp-semifinal

In fact, the inconsistencies of the Ohio State offense throughout this crazy season turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Due to the lack of a regular lineup, Day's offense often relied simply on its most basic concepts and rarely showed any of the complementary pieces that were put on display in New Orleans.
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Ruckert and Farrell had 86 receiving yards in the first 3 weeks and none in the next 3 games. They had 66 yards in the Sugar Bowl. They also equaled their combined touchdowns (3) from all previous games this season. The three touchdowns to the tightends looked unusual to me, but what do I know, I'm not an expert. Perhaps I'm just forgetting it, but setting up what looked like a screen to the left with a throwback to Ruckert on the right looked new to me.

And I did chart all of Ohio State's passing plays on third down last year. Every single time they were in trips, it was to the field, never to the boundary. On the long post to Olave, he was the inside receiver, trips to the boundary.

Now maybe we ran trips to the boundary on downs other than third last year. Maybe we ran trips to the boundary all the time this year. All I can say for sure is that trips to the boundary looked unusual to me, and Clemson sure as heck defended it like it was new to them.

If you're saying that they were the same plays, just with different looks and different primary receivers, I can go along with that. If you're saying there was some of that and some of Justin finding his secondary, tertiary, and dump-off receivers more often, I can go along with that. If you're saying that Ohio State didn't cause breakdowns in the Clemson defense by doing things that went against their tendencies, I have to wonder which Sugar Bowl you watched.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
Ruckert and Farrell had 86 receiving yards in the first 3 weeks and none in the next 3 games. They had 66 yards in the Sugar Bowl. They also equaled their combined touchdowns (3) from all previous games this season. The three touchdowns to the tightends looked unusual to me, but what do I know, I'm not an expert. Perhaps I'm just forgetting it, but setting up what looked like a screen to the left with a throwback to Ruckert on the right looked new to me.

And I did chart all of Ohio State's passing plays on third down last year. Every single time they were in trips, it was to the field, never to the boundary. On the long post to Olave, he was the inside receiver, trips to the boundary.

Now maybe we ran trips to the boundary on downs other than third last year. Maybe we ran trips to the boundary all the time this year. All I can say for sure is that trips to the boundary looked unusual to me, and Clemson sure as heck defended it like it was new to them.

If you're saying that they were the same plays, just with different looks and different primary receivers, I can go along with that. If you're saying there was some of that and some of Justin finding his secondary, tertiary, and dump-off receivers more often, I can go along with that. If you're saying that Ohio State didn't cause breakdowns in the Clemson defense by doing things that went against their tendencies, I have to wonder which Sugar Bowl you watched.
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Klatt said it best with Olave out of the B1G Championship game. "We're going to find out who JF trusts." Well, when our TE's spend the majority of their time working with the OL, how is JF supposed to trust them? He's a work in progress and needs those reps to fix any trust issues he may have. Last week, the TE's clearly worked with JF, and were a major part of the game plan. I hope it continues.
 
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ScriptOhio said:




This is close to the most tinfoil-hat thing I'll ever write in these here Skull Sessions, but after consulting numerous individuals who know far more about football than I do, I think there's a shocking amount of evidence that suggests Ohio State did exactly what Golic described, sandbagging the hell out of the regular season and actually pulling out its entire playbook for the first time against Clemson.

Does Ryan Day really have big enough balls to show Clemson absolutely nothing useful on film the entire season and dedicate all his efforts to game-planning for the playoffs, knowing his talent can just coast him there? I'll let you decide that. But if that's actually what went down, Bama could be in deep shit, too.

Regardless of how it came together, the game plan and playcalling on Friday night was nothing short of pornographic.
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bukIpower said:
I've been seeing this a lot lately with media saying OSU basically prepared for this game the last month which is why we saw such domination.

That's just so disrespectful to the team and what they did to Clemson. Basically saying that without all the extra time spent it's probably a different story.

Yeah geniuses we prepared since November for a team we weren't even sure we would play. Yeah real smart. What if ND beat them again? You're telling me Ryan Day would purposefully keep the Northwestern game close because he didn't want to show film to Clemson which we weren't even guaranteed to play? Seriously GTFO...

Look at the freaking rosters from a recruit ranking stand point. We were the better team and we prepared harder the moment we found out it was Clemson. We didn't need extra preparation to eeek out a 21 point win. We were just flat out better.

Same thing for those college football nerds.. basically saying we won't be able to prepare ahead of time like we did for Clemson. Also talked about how Alabama basically shut everything down vs ND in the first half.

Give me a freaking break.
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Abenaki said:
Do I think they prepped specifically for Clemson throughout the year? Nah. Do I think they sandbagged their play calling as much as possible for a lot of the regular season? Oh yeah. It happens every year, usually we see it come out against Michigan but they bitched out this year so Clemson got the goodie bag this time.
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Yeah, it's weird to think that not being able to get game reps was great and allowed OSU to practice a secret playbook. The challenge of this game wasn't "Has Ryan Day suddenly become a dummy after pantsing Venables last year?". It was "Can a team that has only played 6 games, and 2 of those games without many key players, execute on a high enough level to beat the #2 team in the country that has played 11 games?".

I have no doubt they started working on several things early in the year, but many of those were pretty obvious constraints to plays we saw earlier in the year. The throttled tempo is the only thing in particular that would be specifically targeted at Clemson. Everything else is what we saw from Day in previous years or variants of said concepts. It's not like OSU was out there running the Rutgers 2nd half game plan. Pretty sure OSU has used the same core concepts that are adjusted by Day to take advantage of matchups.

And it doesn't magically give Bama an advantage now because new stuff is on film and OSU didn't prep all year for them. It'll be a different game and more reliant on OSU using tempo, Fields' health and winning their matchups against better talent than Clemson had.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Yeah, it's weird to think that not being able to get game reps was great and allowed OSU to practice a secret playbook. The challenge of this game wasn't "Has Ryan Day suddenly become a dummy after pantsing Venables last year?". It was "Can a team that has only played 6 games, and 2 of those games without many key players, execute on a high enough level to beat the #2 team in the country that has played 11 games?".

I have no doubt they started working on several things early in the year, but many of those were pretty obvious constraints to plays we saw earlier in the year. The throttled tempo is the only thing in particular that would be specifically targeted at Clemson. Everything else is what we saw from Day in previous years or variants of said concepts. It's not like OSU was out there running the Rutgers 2nd half game plan. Pretty sure OSU has used the same core concepts that are adjusted by Day to take advantage of matchups.

And it doesn't magically give Bama an advantage now because new stuff is on film and OSU didn't prep all year for them. It'll be a different game and more reliant on OSU using tempo, Fields' health and winning their matchups against better talent than Clemson had.
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I don't think anyone is saying there was a "secret playbook" or they were running completely different plays than they ran the rest of the year. Only what you get to in the second paragraph, that they ran expanded and complimentary versions of what they've been doing that we haven't seen throughout the rest of this season.
 
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Abenaki said:
I don't think anyone is saying there was a "secret playbook" or they were running completely different plays than they ran the rest of the year. Only what you get to in the second paragraph, that they ran expanded and complimentary versions of what they've been doing that we haven't seen throughout the rest of this season.
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^ THIS

Every good coach adds wrinkles in a game like that and I totally expect Day to have more wrinkles for Bama that he hasn't shown yet. You have your base plays, and then you have your counters off of those base plays. You set certain plays up for the end of the year just as you would set up plays for the second half of a game. Every good coach shows something different from first half to second half too. Whether it is a formation or a different look, a good coach always has the ability to add off of existing sets and plays. I believe that is all Day did, add his wrinkles to existing formations and plays. He is an excellent offensive mind.
 
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