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Shit is awesome - yeah - it WAS intense.
Wife stopped doing her homework when the guys in MS reache Yazoo city.

Ya know, I'll take a Hurricane ANY friggin' day of the week over a tornado.
You get 5-7 days notice...
You watch it slowly meander towards you...
Get so see all the pretty radar images for like 5-7 days...
Get to clog up your company's internet with constant nhc.noaa.gov surfing, sat images, radar images, oh, and the java movies...
Get to laugh at the forecasters, and all the stupid names TV stations come up with like "Wilma Warning" "Andrew's Arrival" "Katrina Chaos" etc...
Get to see all the stations create their own names for the cone, like "Cone of Uncertainty" "Cone of Disaster"
You have time to batten down...shop...put up plywood...put shit away out of the yard...
You have time to throw the HurricaneParty...
Got time to pack...test the generator...
Got time to GTFO the way if you have to...

Tornado?
Hell no - by the time you KNOW it's there, it's all OVER you. 65MPH movement? oh HEEELLLL no...

No thanks - that's some MEAN SHIT in a really short span of time.

Yep - definitely - I'll take a hurricane ANY day of the week...
 
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Gatorubet;1797121; said:
Sometimes, no. Unfortunately.
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It's very rare that a hurricane just sneaks up on you...granted, there have been same near-land formations, but these things move 8-15mph MAX, so even if it spawns 60mi offshore, it only takes me 2 hours to batten down the hatches.

I live in Broward County, next county up from Miami, so I'm still relatively close, but I'm way out west. Wilma knocked out power here for 2-3 weeks, but I have a nice, big, 12K watt generator that runs everything except the A/C - got window units for emergencies.
 
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You are right normally. Katrina was not supposed to be anywhere near us - and in the 9th inning of the the AAA baseball game on Friday night they announced the double header Saturday as they sent us home about 11:00 pm. I got home, everyone went to bed and I popped the computer on to see the news that it might be headed our way instead of Pensacola. I went out then at midnight and gassed up the cars and bought about twenty gallons for the generator/neighbors who might find the pumps dry if they woke up late Sat. morning.

They pumps were dry in my hood by 10:00 a.m., and the city woke up to a panic to get out that day. It being the end of the month the elderly, disabled and poor were a day or two from getting their retirement, assistance, disability, etc., checks, and many people did not have money for gas and motels, or cars that could take the radiator boiling over wait on the highways. I waited until Sunday to leave solely to avoid traffic, and met people three hours after I left New Orleans Sunday morning at a gas station that had left New Orleans via another route Saturday at noon and had just got to the spot I was at after driving 21 hours.

We normally get to watch it for days, but sometimes you get jumped. National Hurricane Center missed calling that one Friday. It happens.
 
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Gatorubet;1797126; said:
You are right normally. Katrina was not supposed to be anywhere near us - and in the 9th inning of the the AAA baseball game on Friday night they announced the double header Saturday as they sent us home about 11:00 pm. I got home, everyone went to bed and I popped the computer on to see the news that it might be headed our way instead of Pensacola. I went out then at midnight and gassed up the cars and bought about twenty gallons for the generator/neighbors who might find the pumps dry if they woke up late Sat. morning.

They pumps were dry in my hood by 10:00 a.m., and the city woke up to a panic to get out that day. It being the end of the month the elderly, disabled and poor were a day or two from getting their retirement, assistance, disability, etc., checks, and many people did not have money for gas and motels, or cars that could take the radiator boiling over wait on the highways. I waited until Sunday to leave solely to avoid traffic, and met people three hours after I left New Orleans Sunday morning at a gas station that had left New Orleans via another route Saturday at noon and had just got to the spot I was at after driving 21 hours.

We normally get to watch it for days, but sometimes you get jumped. National Hurricane Center missed calling that one Friday. It happens.
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That's why it's called a "cone of uncertainty." Keep in mind their disclaimers: use it as a guide, and not as words from God's mouth to the NHC. there's always a variance, and I account for it.

A good tool I use is the Navy MET labs:www.fnmoc.navy.mil. LEarn a little about weather, and it'll serve you VERY well...

That statement wasn;t meant in a bad way: I literally mean you only need to learn a little, and can read their forecasts and projections. There's another I can't fine, that has about 10 projected tracks, and overlays them ALL on one tracking map. I'll keep looking, and post it up if/when I find it.

I NEVER solely rely on the NHC - I have a wife and two kids to worry about, and take every precaution I can.
 
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sharkonwheels;1797127; said:
That's why it's called a "cone of uncertainty." Keep in mind their disclaimers: use it as a guide, and not as words from God's mouth to the NHC. there's always a variance, and I account for it.

A good tool I use is the Navy MET labs:www.fnmoc.navy.mil. LEarn a little about weather, and it'll serve you VERY well...

That statement wasn;t meant in a bad way: I literally mean you only need to learn a little, and can read their forecasts and projections. There's another I can't fine, that has about 10 projected tracks, and overlays them ALL on one tracking map. I'll keep looking, and post it up if/when I find it.

I NEVER solely rely on the NHC - I have a wife and two kids to worry about, and take every precaution I can.
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We know all about the ways hurricanes are forecast, and New Orleans local weather is very in tune. Hell, our long time meteorologist, Nash Roberts, started a company that provides weather and hurricane notification to the oil and marine industries. Those two industries, plus our commercial fishing industry/fleets, have more than an ordinary interest in hurricane tracking, and as a result of that, we tend to be very well informed - we too know our BAMMs from our GFSs and GFDLs. And the cone of uncertainty did not have us as a likely target until right when everyone went to bed Friday night. Had it shifted that much on a Friday Morning, there would have been more time for more people to respond. As it was, it shifted and we became a more likely target right when after many people had turned in for the night. Waking up the next morning they learned about the new storm track.

People still had time to get out Shark, I never said they did not. But an additional day did nothing to supply poor folks, disabled folks and folks without transportation with the means to flee. Many people stayed home to look after the elderly or sick relatives who could not leave. I had to argue with my MIL in her 80s to get her to leave. Old people in particular do not want to leave "their things" or their home, and literally would rather die than live with everything they have ever owned destroyed. And they did die because of that choice. I have several friends who had elderly parents refuse to leave...as in almost physical altercations....who came back to find their parents dead in their homes.
 
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Counselor, I fail to see how any of that is relevant to the point made that people get more warning for a hurricane than for a tornado.
 
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Gatorubet;1797161; said:
People still had time to get out Shark, I never said they did not. But an additional day did nothing to supply poor folks, disabled folks and folks without transportation with the means to flee. Many people stayed home to look after the elderly or sick relatives who could not leave. I had to argue with my MIL in her 80s to get her to leave. Old people in particular do not want to leave "their things" or their home, and literally would rather die than live with everything they have ever owned destroyed. And they did die because of that choice. I have several friends who had elderly parents refuse to leave...as in almost physical altercations....who came back to find their parents dead in their homes.
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Agreed - 110%

@Bucky:

What people get for a tornado, i would HARDLY call a warning.

I really don't know what/how much can be done to give more warnings for tornadoes, but damn, if we could put a man on the moon, I would think it'd be a bit easier.

Now, If congress would give a few billion to, um, SAVE FUGGING LIVES, and, um, SAVE FUGGING PROPERTY, then we, um, MIGHT be able to figure some shit out. Instead, they choose to um, let's see, bail out Wall Street, even though the thieves were taking multi-million dollar parachutes AFTER destroying the economy... Um, let's see, replacing military aircraft that are really perfectly fine, I mean, yeah, we SOOOOO need the absolute latest stealth to fight the little 3rd world battles we're fighting... Woulda' cost less for maintenance on existing craft, rather than multi-billions on newer/better/faster.

What are they gonna do with these super-expensive, shiny, brand-new planes?

Why - they're going to fly them around the mojave, wasting money on fuel and ordnance, oh, and let's not forget they're using previous generation aircraft as remote drones!

Oh yeah - there's wonderful fiscal planning

Anyways, sorry to rant. My point is/was:

I honestly don't know if there's ANYTHING they can do about warnings for tornadoes, but it'd sure be nice if they could redirect some funds to assist.
I think it's a bit more important.

Now, if DC was in Tornado Alley / Dixie Alley, do you think it'd be the same?
 
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Bucky Katt;1797194; said:
Counselor, I fail to see how any of that is relevant to the point made that people get more warning for a hurricane than for a tornado.
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"Five to seven days notice" is what I was addressing.....before my drifting into why we did not get out given 5 to 7 days. When I lived in Kansas and Missouri it was rare to get any notice. One time we got a report of a a tornado heading our way so we had just enough time to run to the basement hot weater heater room (that was cinder block wall protected). It skipped over my street and came back down two blocks past us and strated tearing things up. It took half the roof off my brother's high school. You are right, you get almost no warning of a tornado, and the winds are move violent, if of a shorter duration.
 
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