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Stewie's 10 best, 5 worst coaches

BB73

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Here's the link to Mandel's mailbag article. I think he wants more mail from Pennsylvania. His top-10 list actually is OK (I'd sub Richt for Fulmer).

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Ranking the 10 best coaches ... and the five worst

Judging by the e-mails I've received during the past couple of weeks, it seems college football readers, like the sport itself, are in the midst of a summer lull. Not to be mean, but if you had read most of the questions I had to choose from, you, too, would have been headed straight to the hammock for an afternoon siesta.

So to shake things up a bit, I'm resorting to the Internet's one no-fail gimmick (besides porn): lists. In particular, controversial lists that a majority of readers are almost sure to disagree with and will therefore be motivated to type something into that little Mailbag box.

The subject is today's college coaches: the best, the worst, the most underrated and the most overrated. These men almost exclusively were judged on their performance over only the past few years (because that's how quickly job-security status can change these days) and not their career as a whole (sorry, JoePa and Bobby Bowden). And because a head coach is nothing if not for his assistants, the rankings are a de facto assessment of the entire staff and its ability to both recruit and get the most out of the talent it assembles. As a whole, I tend to give more credit to guys who get a lot out of a little, which is why Miami's Larry Coker, who has a staggering 44-6 record but was also handed one of the greatest collections of talent in history by predecessor Butch Davis, does not appear on the "10 Best" list, while Boise State's Dan Hawkins, whose team would have a hard time staying within 20 of the 'Canes, does. So, without further ado:

My top 10 coaches heading into the 2005 season:

1. Pete Carroll, USC: It's hard to argue with this one. In slightly more than four years, he's created the sport's reigning juggernaut, assembled a brilliant staff (which he since has had to replenish), cleaned up in recruiting and continually demonstrated his keen defensive mind with his game plans and in-game adjustments.

2. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: He would have been No. 1 this time a year ago, but Carroll unseated him in somewhat embarrassing fashion. While Stoops' once impregnable rep has taken a hit after two consecutive late-season collapses, the fact is his teams have had five consecutive seasons of 11 wins or more and played for three national titles.

3. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa: No one has done a better job the past three years of turning dust into gold, producing three straight 10-win seasons and two shared Big Ten titles despite an overall talent level that pales in comparison to that of conference rivals Ohio State and Michigan.

4. Jim Tressel, Ohio State: While his overly conservative nature is tough for many to stomach (and may have cost the Buckeyes a couple of games early last season when he stubbornly stuck with a horrendous rushing attack), he already has won one national title and has recruited the talent base necessary to win another.

5. Bobby Petrino, Louisville: I know, he's only been on the job for two years, but the guy is a certifiable guru. While John L. Smith got the Cardinals' ball rolling, Petrino has taken them to a whole other stratosphere with his unique offensive mind and ability to recruit BCS-caliber skill players.

6. Urban Meyer, Florida: While it remains to be seen how his system will fare at the major-conference level, there's no denying the rapid effect he had at both of his two previous stops, Bowling Green and Utah, and his new-age offensive approach has taken the sport by storm.

7. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech: Beamer is another master of maximizing his resources, as he demonstrated again with last season's ACC title in what really should have been a rebuilding year. His ranking would be higher if not for a couple of disappointing showings in 2002 and '03.

8. Dan Hawkins, Boise State: What Hawkins is doing in the land of smurf turf is nothing short of remarkable. The Broncos have dominated the WAC the past three years, going 36-3 by constantly adjusting their approach to fit their various strengths each season.

9. Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee: Fulmer's staff has taken its share of criticism, but that's partially because it raised the bar so high in the '90s. The Vols have broken out of the brief rut they hit earlier this decade, winning the SEC East last year and nabbing the nation's top recruiting class.

10. Mack Brown, Texas: There undoubtedly will be many who say Brown should be nowhere near this list because he has yet to actually win any sort of championship, but there's no denying he has created an enviable program that has won 10 or more games each of the past four seasons.

Just missed: California's Jeff Tedford, Fresno State's Pat Hill, Michigan's Lloyd Carr (more on him in a bit), Georgia's Mark Richt and Auburn's Tommy Tuberville.

The five worst:

Note: To be fair, coaches who haven't completed three years at their school weren't included (except for one obvious exception).

1. Chan Gailey, Georgia Tech: What's the difference between failed NFL coach Carroll and failed NFL coach Gailey? An ability to command respect from his players. For three years, the Jackets have demonstrated a lack of discipline both on the field (where they continually lay eggs just before or after flashing potential brilliance) and off it (numerous academic and legal casualties).

2. Rich Brooks, Kentucky (the exception): The former Oregon/St. Louis Rams head man has been a disaster since Day 1, taking over a program that finally was starting to stick its head above water and running it straight into the ground (6-17) while failing to elicit any sense of excitement among potential recruits (mainly because they don't believe he'll be there much longer).

3. Gary Pinkel, Missouri: Rarely has a coach so thoroughly screwed up a star player's development as Pinkel did with QB Brad Smith last season, drawing a deluge of public criticism -- including from Smith's father (who compared the coach's personality to a dill pickle). The onetime hot commodity needs to contend for the Big 12 North title this year or he'll be looking for a new job.

4. Bobby Wallace, Temple: While it's hard to pin too much blame on a guy who's stuck in a near-impossible situation, the fact remains he's gone 19-60 in seven seasons and shown few signs of any potential breakthrough around the corner.

5. Joe Paterno, Penn State: Ouch. It hurts to even write this. But if this were a blind evaluation in which Paterno was known only as Coach A, and Coach A had gone 26-33 the past five seasons at a Big Ten school with the tradition and resources to compete for conference and national titles, there's not an informed observer out there who wouldn't conclude that Coach A is a bad coach.

As an added bonus, I give you my eight most underrated (Wyoming's Joe Glenn, Texas Tech's Mike Leach, Southern Miss' Jeff Bower, Baylor's Guy Morriss, Boston College's Tom O'Brien, UTEP's Mike Price, Toledo's Tom Amstutz and Michigan State's John L. Smith) and four most overrated (N.C. State's Chuck Amato, Virginia's Al Groh, Texas A&M's Dennis Franchione, Minnesota's Glen Mason).

Finally, a quick word on Carr, because I know you'll ask. I just don't think he fits on any of these lists. I don't think he's one of the 10 best. I certainly don't think he's one of the five worst. And I don't think he's necessarily overrated or underrated. On the positive side, he has overseen one of the nation's most consistently successful programs of the past 10 years, and he's appeared in the past two Rose Bowls. On the negative side, he annually has, if you believe the recruiting rankings, as much talent on hand as any team in the country, yet hasn't contended for a national title since the one he won in '97 and, without fail, loses at least one early-season game he shouldn't. So, for the purposes of these rankings, he's somewhere in between.

Enough blabbering. Time to hear from you.
 
I would've found a way to put Pat Hill (Fresno State) in the top ten. I love the way his players play (hard, always, without appearing intimidated by bigger name schools) and they've had a lot of success recently for that level of school.
 
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Penn. just blew up... Joe P. on the worst five list...

If talent is part of the equation, Hill from Fresno St. has to be on the top ten list. He doesn't get stud players, but has good seasons year-in, year-out...

I'm surprised the Rutgers coach wasn't in the worst five. With the talent in NJ and NY they should have good recruiting classes each year. They were in a BcS conference, and have money (ie not a small little school). I cannot beleive they have been so bad, for so many years...
 
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Well if Carr loses 2 - 4 games this year, I can see him eventually morphing into Gary Moeller. Opposing coaches would only have to point to Lloyds ho-hum record over the last 8 to ten years and many recruits would stop looking at Michshitgan. Eventually Carr would be fired and then Jim Hermann would take over the team. Wait a minute..... isn't that how Carr got his job?? :tongue2:
 
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the only part of this write up i question is this:

5. Joe Paterno, Penn State: Ouch. It hurts to even write this. But if this were a blind evaluation in which Paterno was known only as Coach A, and Coach A had gone 26-33 the past five seasons at a Big Ten school with the tradition and resources to compete for conference and national titles, there's not an informed observer out there who wouldn't conclude that Coach A is a bad coach.
would joe pa going 26-33 be considered poor coaching if penn state had joined the SEC or ACC instead of the BIG 10?
 
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If you're talking about mid-major coaches that do more with less, you should include Tom Craft at San Diego State. He came pretty close to beating Michigan on the road, and gave OSU a hell of a scare a while back. Ditto June Jones at Hawaii.
 
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bullsfan75 said:
Ditto June Jones at Hawaii.

As a Hawaii fan, I think Jones has shot his wad here. He led them to the best one-season turnaround in I-A history in 1999, but since then they've been a so-so team, despite having pro-level talent in numerous positions. The reason they win as often as they do is that they play so far away from the mainland, giving them a huge home-field advantage. Cases in point, the Northwestern and Michigan State games last year. Both NW and MSU were in the process of blowing UH out early until they tired and Hawaii ran wild on their worn-out defenses. Not only does the distance factor give them a huge advantage physically, but they also get at least one extra home game a year from the NCAA because they are so far from everyone else. Here's Hawaii's record, along with the number of home games in parenthesis, under Jones:

1999: 9-4 (10)
2000: 9-3 (8)
2001: 9-3 (9)
2002: 10-4 (9)
2003: 9-5 (8)
2004: 8-5 (9)

Jones has done a pretty decent job, but I wouldn't say he's one of the tops in doing more with less.
 
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gbearbuck: "I'm surprised the Rutgers coach wasn't in the worst five. With the talent in NJ and NY they should have good recruiting classes each year. They were in a BcS conference, and have money (ie not a small little school). I cannot beleive they have been so bad, for so many years..."

Schiano isn't a bad coach, actually. He would've replaced Butch Davis at Miami (ahead of Larry Coker) had he not bolted for Rutgers a year too early.

The state of New York doesn't have the HS talent to compare with any of the hotbed states: Ohio, Cali, Florida, Texas, etc. - so he can't get much there. And while New Jersey does produce great talent, Rutgers has never been able to get any of them because of its rep. Schiano set a goal to get one of the Top 5 recruits in NJ in each of his seasons as coach (unprecedented for Rutgers), and he's done that so far.

I also remember the '02 Rutgers-Miami game where Schiano took them to the brink against the Canes & the RU Punter was the best athlete on his team at the time.

And, Rutgers also had the 2nd biggest win in school history this past season against Michigan State. It may not sound like much, but believe me (I live here): it was a HUGE win for RU. They've never had a win even close to MSU that I can remember. The Rutgers fans here were even talking BCS Bowl after that game, believe it or not.

Schiano's done a great job. Just remember, he is coaching the Los Angeles Clippers of College Football.
 
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In this week's column, Mandel answers a question about JT, asked by a fan whose question shows how much the casual fan across the country has been influenced by all the much tossed at tOSU recently.

How can you evaluate a college football coach, and implicitly his program, merely on his win/loss record? Shouldn't his team's graduation rate and frequency of NCAA sanctions and investigations weigh into the equation? On that note, it is incredibly short-sighted to list Jim Tressel on the list of "best" coaches. Any coach who runs a dirty program and ignores NCAA regulations could produce the records he has.
--Kristine, Washington

Kristine's sentiments were hardly unique. Judging by my e-mail, it appears that outside of Columbus, the once squeaky-clean Tressel is almost universally viewed as being dirty and corrupt. However, as you know, the NCAA to date has found only one infraction within his program. So while you, the fans, are free to make all the judgments you want based on hearsay, innuendo and good old-fashioned common sense, I, as a journalist, am constricted by an obligation to adhere to proven fact. And so, putting my own personal hunches aside, Tressel's high ranking is based almost entirely on his on-field track record, both at Ohio State and Youngstown State.
 
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BB73 said:
So while you, the fans, are free to make all the judgments you want based on hearsay, innuendo and good old-fashioned common sense, I, as a journalist, am constricted by an obligation to adhere to proven fact. And so, putting my own personal hunches aside, Tressel's high ranking is based almost entirely on his on-field track record, both at Ohio State and Youngstown State.
WEIRD!!! This is freakin' me out. First, I made it through the intersection of Chagrin and Warrensville without getting a red light TWICE yesterday. Then, it didn't rain until AFTER we got in the car after fireworks. Now, you found a journalist who wants to report based on the facts and not what other people wish was true? BB73, did you make this person up? This person can't be real. I'd sooner believe in the Snorty Monster than a journalist who doesn't report based on rumors.
 
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