-
New here? Register here now for access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Plus, stay connected and follow BP on Instagram @buckeyeplanet and Facebook.
- Thread starter BB73
- Start date
buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
cincibuck;1790392; said:
Wow, your standards must not be very high--21 carries for only 86 yards (4.1 yds/carry) and 3 INTs, which basically cost his team any chance of winning the game, given that two of them were in the red zone.
By the way--that "good MSU defense" to which you refer is only ranked 42nd in total defense (i.e., not even good enough to rank in the top third of defenses nationwide).
Upvote
0
cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
billmac91;1790401; said:
17/29 217 yards - 1 TD 3 INTs 21 rushes for 84 yards, Dennard had a good day while playing for a team with no defense. He's not the first sophomore QB to have 3 interceptions.
I have not argued that he deserved Heisman hype, simply that he's having a great season and that Michigan seems to be a better team than they were a year ago. I haven't said that I think Michigan is better than OSU, because I don't believe it.
Upvote
0
How is a 1/3 ratio a "good day"? That leaves almost no room for a wide range of better performances that now have to be classified as a great day given this classification.
Would 300 yds 1 td 3 int be a great day? No, it would be a good one if not for that turnover ratio.
250 yds 3 td 1 int is a good day.
350 yds 4 td 1 int is a great day.
450 yds total 4 tds is a great day.
217 yds 1 td 3 int is an alright day.
Turning the ball over three times is not a great day.
You're making excuses for him because he is young. That's fine, he's young and will learn from this experience. He is expected to have some bad outings, but that doesn't make them good outings when they happen.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
seriously.BuckeyeNation27;1790404; said:
Remember this post? Where you made a series of posts trying to pretend like ND was a good defense (including using b10 invitations as an argument)?
Michigan State isn't a great defense. They are a solid one, and a huge upgrade from the units Denard has faced so far. He will learn from these experiences, but the days of scatterbrained defenses are almost completely over (Purdue is the exception).
MSU is on par with a few of the upcoming defenses and weaker than a few others.
cincibuck;1788116; said:
Upvote
0
cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
jwinslow;1790462; said:
1 Kellen Moore, QB BSU 135 91 67.4 1336 9.9 58 14 1 2 183.3
2 Cameron Newton, QB AUB 108 70 64.8 1138 10.5 94 12 5 7 180.7
3 Ricky Stanzi, QB IOWA 121 82 67.8 1226 10.1 66 10 2 10 176.8
4 Dan Persa, QB NW 177 138 78.0 1663 9.4 50 10 2 16 173.3
5 Stephen Garcia, QB SCAR 101 73 72.3 944 9.3 69 8 3 10 171.0
6 Terrelle Pryor, QB OSU 153 104 68.0 1349 8.8 65 15 3 11 170.5
7 Ryan Mallett, QB ARK 176 122 69.3 1748 9.9 85 13 6 9 170.3
8 Greg McElroy, QB ALA 137 99 72.3 1298 9.5 51 9 3 16 169.1
9 Kirk Cousins, QB MSU 145 99 68.3 1416 9.8 55 10 4 11 167.6
10 Andrew Luck, QB STAN 172 113 65.7 1538 8.9 81 16 4 3 166.9
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
11 Brandon Weeden, QB OKST 190 131 68.9 1610 8.5 81 18 6 5 165.1
12 Denard Robinson, QB MICH 125 84 67.2 1223 9.8 74 8 4 2 164.1
13 Jordan Wynn, QB UTAH 85 58 68.2 732 8.6 61 7 2 0 163.0
14 Chandler Harnish, QB NIU 112 80 71.4 927 8.3 58 8 1 6 162.7
15 Matt Barkley, QB USC 174 113 64.9 1517 8.7 61 15 4 6 162.0
16 Bryant Moniz, QB HAW 247 160 64.8 2245 9.1 80 18 4 12 161.9
17 Scott Tolzien, QB WIS 132 92 69.7 1201 9.1 45 7 2 5 160.6
18 Ryan Colburn, QB FRES 143 96 67.1 1250 8.7 59 12 6 12 159.9
19 Colin Kaepernick, QB NEV 150 106 70.7 1321 8.8 48 8 3 2 158.2
20 Zach Collaros, QB CIN 144 91 63.2 1180 8.2 69 12 1 18 158.1
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
21 Geno Smith, QB WVU 146 97 66.4 1139 7.8 48 12 2 7 156.3
22 Nick Foles, QB ARIZ 183 137 74.9 1529 8.4 51 9 5 10 155.8
23 Robert Griffin III, QB BAY 205 132 64.4 1735 8.5 94 13 2 6 154.5
24 Andy Dalton, QB TCU 138 92 66.7 1177 8.5 52 9 4 3 154.0
25 Ben Chappell, QB IND 188 132 70.2 1476 7.9 46 12 3 4 154.0
26 Darron Thomas, QB ORE 147 86 58.5 1213 8.3 84 14 5 2 152.4
27 Aaron Murray, QB UGA 157 97 61.8 1366 8.7 55 10 3 14 152.1
28 Tyrod Taylor, QB VT 122 74 60.7 1030 8.4 69 9 3 12 151.0
29 Adam Weber, QB MINN 171 102 59.6 1448 8.5 60 12 4 7 149.3
30 Adam Froman, QB LOU 139 83 59.7 1177 8.5 57 9 4 6 146.5
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
31 Ryan Nassib, QB SYR 127 73 57.5 989 7.8 48 10 2 9 145.7
32 Jeremiah Masoli, QB MISS 94 57 60.6 823 8.8 70 6 5 2 144.6
33 Mike Hartline, QB UK 188 125 66.5 1442 7.7 42 9 3 2 143.5
34 Corey Robinson, QB TROY 195 123 63.1 1503 7.7 79 11 3 11 143.4
35 Taylor Potts, QB TTU 243 161 66.3 1649 6.8 55 16 4 8 141.7
36 T.J. Yates, QB UNC 160 104 65.0 1170 7.3 97 8 1 11 141.7
37 Kevin Riley, QB CAL 123 74 60.2 931 7.6 62 9 4 7 141.4
38 Russell Wilson, QB NCST 242 144 59.5 1802 7.4 60 17 6 17 140.3
39 Kyle Padron, QB SMU 212 123 58.0 1564 7.4 67 16 5 12 140.2
40 Nathan Enderle, QB IDHO 176 112 63.6 1411 8.0 59 10 9 19 139.5
So, after 6 games he's 12th out of more than 100 starting QBs in the nation. Where do you draw the lines for great, good, average, mediocre, wish-he'd-transfer, wish-someone-would-injure him?
Upvote
0
buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
cincibuck;1790525; said:
You're missing (or, perhaps more accurately, choosing to ignore) the point--DR fattened up on the dregs of NCAA defenses; against MSU, he was exposed. Show me that list after 5 games (you know, before he faced any defenses this year), and I'll bet he was a lot higher than #12. As a corollary, show me that list in a month, and I'll bet he's nowhere near #12.
Upvote
0
You continue to ignore the quality of competition he put up his good numbers against. He finally faced a decent defense and do you know what his qb rating was? I do. It was 112.2, not even close to anything on that list. I'm not sure I get why this is such a hard concept to understand...it's easy to put up big numbers against slow, unathletic, plum bad defenses. He's done playing those. It's no coincidence he struggled Saturday. I think we all agree that he's an electric player with a lot of talent, but he's not the player he was portrayed as after 5 games. Not yet, anyway. I mean, really...do you honestly not get that his numbers have been fattened against horrific defenses or are you just baiting at this point?cincibuck;1790525; said:
Last edited:
Upvote
0
Another deflection, neat. That tells me you can't actually justify calling that performance a good one, so you resort back to the other performances to cover it up.cincibuck;1790525; said:
Against Alabama, Ryan Mallett had 350 yds passing, 1 td 3 int + 1 td rushing. That off-day cost him dearly in the heisman race (according to almost every voter & media member), and certainly wasn't a "good" outing.
Denard had an off-day. It doesn't mean he sucks and can't rebound, but it does back up exactly what we pointed to in the week leading up to this game. A big upgrade in defensive talent will curb his production overall, and most of the remaining opponents have a better defense than Sparty.
Will he be held to 17 pts every time against a sparty level D? No, but he's not going to be putting up 500 yds of offense almost every time out either, which was the byproduct of playing some awful defenses.
Upvote
0
I created a vBet for Shoelaces chances at the Heisman.
The previous posts cannot be moved over there (it would break the vBet), but further discussion about him is probably better off over there, where it can continue until year-end, rather than in a game thread that will drop off the radar.
The previous posts cannot be moved over there (it would break the vBet), but further discussion about him is probably better off over there, where it can continue until year-end, rather than in a game thread that will drop off the radar.
Upvote
0
buckeyesin07;1790528; said:
It's a shame he plays for TSUN because he seems to have the right values. That said, I expect him to be outside the top 25 after the next three games.
Upvote
0