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Poe McKnoe
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OSU vs USC on ESPNU...the one where OSU won. The Oregon State Beavers must have confused the Trojans with things they hadn't seen before. I want to thank the Trojans for the big pile of suck laid down on the field in Corvalis. I don't care how the Beavs ended up. What if Ohio State would have destroyed USC and got laid out by Troy (maybe Minnesota is a better example). You'd never hear the end of it.
The Beavers obviously got lucky a lot of times, got some calls, and manhandled (for the most part) the USC defensive line. It's all about execution. There's no way Oregon State's QB was any better or worse than Boeckman.
The Beavers obviously got lucky a lot of times, got some calls, and manhandled (for the most part) the USC defensive line. It's all about execution. There's no way Oregon State's QB was any better or worse than Boeckman.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
We know how Tress developed Troy Smith as a pattern how Pryor will be treated. Probably something like a 2005 Troy Smith where he ran some option plays to go with his passing. Perhaps a bit less running with Pryor. The 2005 team averaged 29 points a game with Troy as QB.
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ytownbuckeye
Heisman
Everyone seems to be focused on ohio state's offense vs usc's defense. As an avid buckeyes fanatic (understatement), in the spotlight games for the bucks that we've come up short (tex 05, uf 06, lsu 07, usc 08, tex 09) it seems our defense is the key more often than not. As you watched those games you just wait and wait and wait for the defense to come up with a big play or a stop on 3rd down and they never come. Our offense ends up playing on its heels the entire game. The defense looks like it's their first game all night long. Even mich 08 we give up 39 but hold on to win. Our defenses were loaded with talent in these games so you tend to believe it's either the defensive gameplan, preparation, or lack of hunger that are exploited. Our defense needs to come out and hit usc's offense in the mouth and set the tone for a long night of smashmouth big 10 football. If our D can do that and control field postion and put a young TP in good situations and not let usc dictate what our offense is gonna run we will get our respect back on sept 12. The Silver Bullets are the key to this matchup. Let's Go Bucks!
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
ytownbuckeye;1510526; said:
2 of these are not like the others.
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Yea, we did alright in the two texas games, actually probably within 2-3 plays total of going 3-0 against texas in this span.
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NateG
Can't waste the day when the night brings a hearse
Reading HW's preview put some new thinking into this game for me but mixing it with how I felt before here are my points for this game and for the season thereafter.
1. The Lines are where this game is gonna be won. Cliche as it may be, OSU's D line has to get hits on the RBs and on Corp or Barkley. The disappointment in the D line was one of the biggest standouts from the game in LA. They put two young and inexpirienced guys on their right side and our D line couldn't exploit it and get to Sanchez and from that it probably did feel like practice. The D line against Tex in the bowl played great and held Colt in check to some degree and gave the Bucks the chance to pull out a win. The O line is upgraded by subtraction of 2-3 players that werent pushed for their spots on the line and against even to better talent those players especially the party at LT was a continuous revolving door for DEs including USC's. Pryor will need the time back there and the RB's will need an agressive blow off the ball line.
2. Creativity is an off and on thing with Tressell. In the bowls he tries hard to utilize other sets and switch things up but doesn't like using that stuff early or showing his hand. He will again have many weapons on offense to switch in and out, and now has a talented and ultra athletic TE to use...hint hint... The DCor also has to let loose a bit of the reigns, be creative but let instincts of what you've practiced all week come out. With 2 sets of very telented safties in this years game the D's could have the oppurtunities to fly all over the place.
3. TP's development in the offseason is going to be paramount to the success of the season. Decision-making and technique needs to shine thru. A mid-spring video showed his obvious hunger and leadership but I hope he has allowed this to drive him to be the best player he can be in all aspects. In that same video he discussed how much he had thrown (it had only been the first 3-4 weeks if that of practice) and worked on footwork and how much his confidence was brimming in those aspects as well as his trust in the line and recievers. If his development matches what I saw in that video he could make up for alot of inadequacies the Bucks could have on offense. Pryor will throw alot more than many expect but his threat of running could put opposing defenses on their heels. Plus it's TP's team this year and the divisions that grew even with Senior leadership being so thick shouldn't occur this year.
4. The RB's expirience and hunger will help keep things even on offense. Saine has expressed being tired of having his mom answer questions of when he will live up to the potential that was expected prior to his knee injury. He could have an unbelievably productive year as a RB and recieving back. Herron has proved that he can cut it as a number one back and another year in the Buckeye weight training program will only help him.
5. Addition by subtraction overall. I understand losing leadership hurts young players overall, but i feel some of the players that left had a massive hangover from all of those big game let downs. Over and over we heard them say " that isn't going to happen again" followed by "we had a great practice session" which we all know how that preparation turned out. The young (and not as inexpierienced as people want to believe) Bucks of 09 could come out with that mentality of "We are playing to win" not "let's not mess up and lose". Pryor's offseason attitude could prove to be key in this.
6. Being in Columbus is huge for Sept. 12. I understand that USC has traveled east and won before but against lesser talented clubs and with much better talent of their own. (Vir, Ark, Aub) Not normally top teir teams of recent years. USC has been very hard to beat in SoCal over the last 10 years, but add that to the Beanie watch the week before and the way Boeckman had issues with defensive pressure and that was a time bomb wanting to happen. Having the knowledge that USC comes to our house will play a big role in the players and possibly even coaches confidence.
7. Many of the young players played significant time last year and know what to expect in regular season and Big Stage games. Tressell always does a good job of rotating in players to get them acclumated to the speed of the game. Even though main starters were lost, OFF-TP, herron, saine, brew, boren, ballard, adams, cordle, shugarts, browning, sans, posey, small(hopefully grades) DEF-Coleman, hines, homan, spitler, hayward, thad, chekwa, denlinger, worth, wilson, russell, larimore, rose(hopefully grades) and more have played many meaningful downs and even played USC before.
The team is more expirienced than believed but the name guys arent there like in years past but it could make for a more well knit team.
All that being said, I believe Pryor's decision making will prove key and the Bucks defense will do enough to slow USC down to 17-21 points.
OSU 28 - USC 17
1. The Lines are where this game is gonna be won. Cliche as it may be, OSU's D line has to get hits on the RBs and on Corp or Barkley. The disappointment in the D line was one of the biggest standouts from the game in LA. They put two young and inexpirienced guys on their right side and our D line couldn't exploit it and get to Sanchez and from that it probably did feel like practice. The D line against Tex in the bowl played great and held Colt in check to some degree and gave the Bucks the chance to pull out a win. The O line is upgraded by subtraction of 2-3 players that werent pushed for their spots on the line and against even to better talent those players especially the party at LT was a continuous revolving door for DEs including USC's. Pryor will need the time back there and the RB's will need an agressive blow off the ball line.
2. Creativity is an off and on thing with Tressell. In the bowls he tries hard to utilize other sets and switch things up but doesn't like using that stuff early or showing his hand. He will again have many weapons on offense to switch in and out, and now has a talented and ultra athletic TE to use...hint hint... The DCor also has to let loose a bit of the reigns, be creative but let instincts of what you've practiced all week come out. With 2 sets of very telented safties in this years game the D's could have the oppurtunities to fly all over the place.
3. TP's development in the offseason is going to be paramount to the success of the season. Decision-making and technique needs to shine thru. A mid-spring video showed his obvious hunger and leadership but I hope he has allowed this to drive him to be the best player he can be in all aspects. In that same video he discussed how much he had thrown (it had only been the first 3-4 weeks if that of practice) and worked on footwork and how much his confidence was brimming in those aspects as well as his trust in the line and recievers. If his development matches what I saw in that video he could make up for alot of inadequacies the Bucks could have on offense. Pryor will throw alot more than many expect but his threat of running could put opposing defenses on their heels. Plus it's TP's team this year and the divisions that grew even with Senior leadership being so thick shouldn't occur this year.
4. The RB's expirience and hunger will help keep things even on offense. Saine has expressed being tired of having his mom answer questions of when he will live up to the potential that was expected prior to his knee injury. He could have an unbelievably productive year as a RB and recieving back. Herron has proved that he can cut it as a number one back and another year in the Buckeye weight training program will only help him.
5. Addition by subtraction overall. I understand losing leadership hurts young players overall, but i feel some of the players that left had a massive hangover from all of those big game let downs. Over and over we heard them say " that isn't going to happen again" followed by "we had a great practice session" which we all know how that preparation turned out. The young (and not as inexpierienced as people want to believe) Bucks of 09 could come out with that mentality of "We are playing to win" not "let's not mess up and lose". Pryor's offseason attitude could prove to be key in this.
6. Being in Columbus is huge for Sept. 12. I understand that USC has traveled east and won before but against lesser talented clubs and with much better talent of their own. (Vir, Ark, Aub) Not normally top teir teams of recent years. USC has been very hard to beat in SoCal over the last 10 years, but add that to the Beanie watch the week before and the way Boeckman had issues with defensive pressure and that was a time bomb wanting to happen. Having the knowledge that USC comes to our house will play a big role in the players and possibly even coaches confidence.
7. Many of the young players played significant time last year and know what to expect in regular season and Big Stage games. Tressell always does a good job of rotating in players to get them acclumated to the speed of the game. Even though main starters were lost, OFF-TP, herron, saine, brew, boren, ballard, adams, cordle, shugarts, browning, sans, posey, small(hopefully grades) DEF-Coleman, hines, homan, spitler, hayward, thad, chekwa, denlinger, worth, wilson, russell, larimore, rose(hopefully grades) and more have played many meaningful downs and even played USC before.
The team is more expirienced than believed but the name guys arent there like in years past but it could make for a more well knit team.
All that being said, I believe Pryor's decision making will prove key and the Bucks defense will do enough to slow USC down to 17-21 points.
OSU 28 - USC 17
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ttk
Conquest!
Good post, NateG.
A few things to contend with:
The teams we beat going east are a lot of times worse than us, but you include Arkansas... they won the SEC West the year we traveled to beat them 50-14.
Also, your score prediction.... maybe accurate, but I would consider that USC has not lost by more than 7 points since 2001. Sure, USC has to get "soundly" beaten sooner or later, but I think predicting an 11 point victory is a little optimistic.
I agree that the lines are going to be big in this game, even if it is cliche. I imagine USC is going to be running the ball a lot -- the offensive line is USC's strong point this year (along with the secondary), with a lot of veteran talent. And of course USC has a bunch of running backs that have a year or more under their belts and are competing for touches. But USC is going to have a pretty inexperienced guy at QB, and getting pressure on him will probably be the difference in getting third-down conversions or not. Those are going to be key.
A few things to contend with:
The teams we beat going east are a lot of times worse than us, but you include Arkansas... they won the SEC West the year we traveled to beat them 50-14.
Also, your score prediction.... maybe accurate, but I would consider that USC has not lost by more than 7 points since 2001. Sure, USC has to get "soundly" beaten sooner or later, but I think predicting an 11 point victory is a little optimistic.
I agree that the lines are going to be big in this game, even if it is cliche. I imagine USC is going to be running the ball a lot -- the offensive line is USC's strong point this year (along with the secondary), with a lot of veteran talent. And of course USC has a bunch of running backs that have a year or more under their belts and are competing for touches. But USC is going to have a pretty inexperienced guy at QB, and getting pressure on him will probably be the difference in getting third-down conversions or not. Those are going to be key.
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They were also a bit of a different team by seasons end.
Looking back at that box score, there are some similarities to the OSU game. Both were fairly close late in the 2nd quarter, both 1st halves turned on some costly turnovers. Both teams got blown out in the second half.
I think it's a pretty remarkable streak, and USC certainly deserves those bragging rights until they are stripped of them, but it seems like someone will break the 7 point barrier sooner than later.
Do your backs ever tire of not getting to do their thing? A guy like McKnight can be moved around, but it has to be a tough pill to swallow to be a downhill back like Johnson or Tyler and they simply don't get the volume of carries they need to really be a standout player.
I notice that they have not brought in the same caliber of RBs in the last few classes, are guys finally starting to avoid the logjam at the position? Or has USC simply lost a few guys down the stretch that looked good during recruiting season?
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billmac91
Head Coach
I'm going to keep this simple.....
If we have developed a solid read/option offense by week 2 (meaning we have hammered it home all spring) I think we win this game.
If we try and beat them, utilizing TP as a drop-back QB, I think we lose....simple as that.
I just hope Tress and co. have been watching hours of Vince Young footage and University of Florida tape in terms of how to use a TE. This game is EASILY winnable, but gameplan will either win or lose this one IMO.
If we have developed a solid read/option offense by week 2 (meaning we have hammered it home all spring) I think we win this game.
If we try and beat them, utilizing TP as a drop-back QB, I think we lose....simple as that.
I just hope Tress and co. have been watching hours of Vince Young footage and University of Florida tape in terms of how to use a TE. This game is EASILY winnable, but gameplan will either win or lose this one IMO.
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