JXC
17-4 since 2001
Apparently Mili doesn't know what the word contend means...you can't have an opinion on here and be strong about it without it being wrong...it's just how it is.
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EdDantes22
Keira Knightley's Future Husband
You don't understand the implicit choice at hand. Of course an undefeated season is all you could ever ask of a team. In my mind, if tOSU went undefeated and didn't get a chance to play in the BCS NC game, they'd still be the best team in the country. The blame for not letting them play in the title game would be on the voters and the BCS system, not the team. This is obvious. However, the point was to choose between two alternatives: an undefeated season that didn't land us in the title game, or a 1 loss season in which we could still play in (and win--I'm not sure anyone would take that scenario with a loss) in the BCS championship game.
Personally, I would rather finish the year #1 in both polls with the NC trophy (NCAA recognized or not) than anywhere below that. Would I still be proud of our squad if they went undefeated and finished #2, or lower? More than words can say. But given the choice, I (and I'm guessing our players) would take one loss and a championship.
If all that matters is what YOU think about the team's accomplishments, why not just make up a little paper mache trophy and give it to tOSU every year? I mean, the BCS isn't official either, so they're basically the same right? Solipsism can be fun...
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Of course. So you chastise me with your supposedly impressive vocabulary, right after making the bolded statement about what YOU want to see. So my opinion is somehow selfish and yours isn't...yeah.
I'd continue this further, but quite frankly you're a bore.
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JXC
17-4 since 2001
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EdDantes22
Keira Knightley's Future Husband
It's not "selfishness" to express one's personal preference. Solipsism enters the equation when you insist that your opinion is the only legitimate one and the views of everyone else (i.e., the national media, poll voters, the BCS, basically everyone but yourself) mean nothing. I didn't do that; you did. My point is that most people want a little validation from somewhere else besides their own head, or, in this case, their own clearly biased fellow fans.
If you find that boring, sorry. But why attack me for my "vocabulary"? When a word means precisely what I want to say, I use it. You used selfishness, which sounds less pretentious, but is also not the right choice of words for what we're talking about. So why should I be unclear just because you have a problem with words over 3 syllables? I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence; if I thought people wouldn't understand "solipsism," I wouldn't have used it.
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I would guess that less than 5%, and that's a generous percentage, of people on this board know what solipsism means. I'd say your perception is a little off if you thought that was a word most people would understand.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
OK - just stirring the pot a little here. (Pretentious Rant On) EdDantes is using the word solipsism with a meaning that it is often, incorrectly, applied.
His use says Solipsism = Dismissal of Other Views as Unimportant
In reality Solipsism is = a doctrine that holds nothing exists independent of one’s own mind.
This may appear to be a small difference, it is however a significant one.
EdDantes is not the first to err in the use of the more pejorative "meaning" of solipsism. The dismissal of his views as seen by EdDantes from Bucklion's responses to the thread are not evidence of solipsism on Bucklion's part. They may be congruent with, but is by no means identical with solipsism.
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His use says Solipsism = Dismissal of Other Views as Unimportant
In reality Solipsism is = a doctrine that holds nothing exists independent of one’s own mind.
This may appear to be a small difference, it is however a significant one.
EdDantes is not the first to err in the use of the more pejorative "meaning" of solipsism. The dismissal of his views as seen by EdDantes from Bucklion's responses to the thread are not evidence of solipsism on Bucklion's part. They may be congruent with, but is by no means identical with solipsism.
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EdDantes22
Keira Knightley's Future Husband
I know what solipsism means. Dismissing the views of everyone but one's self is a likely symptom of solipsism. Not many sane people wander around saying that nothing exists outside of their own mind; the word is almost always used to describe behavior that, in your words, is "congruent" with the term. While it may have been an exaggeration to label his behavior solipsistic, it was not "incorrect." The context fits. Also, my use didn't simply assume that other people's views are "unimportant." It's more than that: it's the belief that the views of others have no bearing on reality. This could fall below the dictionary definition of solipsism, but it could also be a direct offshoot of a solipsistic frame of mind.
Maybe we should break this off into a philosophy thread. That could be fun (or mind numbingly boring).
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