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3yardsandacloud
Administrator Emeritus
Well, I only pointed out those years (1996 & 1972) as they seem to clear up the 'mystery' of the win-loss totals. No need to get defensive.
In 1996, Stassen credits Oklahoma for a 4-7-0 (originally 3-8-0) season because Texas Tech having to forfeit games due to the use of ineligible players.
In 1972, Oklahoma was credited with an 8-4-0 season (originally 11-1-0) after it forfeited 3 games (Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma State) for using an ineligible player.
So ends the 467-150-12 vs 465- 152-12 mystery.
So here's the real question. What does the Oklahoma media guide list as the yearly record for 1996? That question might answer which data is most believable and unbiased.
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That's what I'm doing right now via Google.
There is also a notation in the Penn State media guide that Oklahoma was supposed to have forfeited the 1972 Sugar Bowl too but Joe Paterno and the PSU administration declined to accept the win.
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ktffan
Junior
My fault. I do get testy sometimes when I have 5 guys gang up on me. :)
No, Texas Tech never forfeited a football game. They got into all sorts of NCAA trouble over multiple sports, and one of the conditions was that they forfeit all the games in which an illegal player played. They never forfeited a game, the NCAA never pushed them to, all their wins are still factually intact.
Oklahoma's 72 forfeits were sanctioned by the Big 8. While they had to forfeit the conference games, the did not forfeit the games themselves. Officially, they were 11-1 with a 3-4 conference record. While that might not seem to makes sense, it's the fact of the matter. Interesting, Oklahoma is even pushing away from the conference forfeits in their 2005 media guide. I guess since the Big 8 no longer exists to push them around...
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The media guides for Missouri and Kansas appear to support this. Their own athletics departments acknowledge these games as losses, their W/L records are different from what appear at Stassen.
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3yardsandacloud
Administrator Emeritus
Makes sense. Here's Stassen's exact quote on the game in question: 1996 was 3-8, but Texas Tech probably forfeited their win due to use of 7 ineligible players (for the entire season).
Seems they are unsure how the 1996 game outcome was finally ruled.
As you can see the recording of statistic (even ones as simple as game scores) isn't an exact science. There are multiple games from multiple schools (mostly from the early years of CFB) who's outcomes are still contested. Even reported differently in each school's media guide and gameday programs. That's why we (generally speaking) at BuckeyePlanet prefer to use a source not related to the school itself. It may not eliminate all questions of bias, but it helps.
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ktffan
Junior
Did you notice the conference record Kansas gives? An overall record of 4-7, with a 3-4 conference record. They beat Wyoming, Minnesota, Okahoma State and Missouri. Officially, the game against Oklahoma is a loss, but a conference win. Confusing stuff, but that's the factualy information, 4-7 with a 3-4 Big Eight record.
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It was really difficult locating the info in the Missouri media guide, sandwiched between 114 pages on the Legend of Brad Smith. 
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ktffan
Junior
You're not kidding. I go the other way. Since I can't tell you which is right (and neither can those other sources), I always go with the team I am checking with. That can mean both teams win a game, but it's factually accurate to the source that the NCAA and media outlets use and doesn't require a judgment call on somebody's part.
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