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SG Michael Redd (NBA All Star, Olympic gold medalist)

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Boozer made a deal.
The Cavaliers couldn't match the Utah deal because of the salary cap.
They didn't have to break his contract. They did it to give him more of what he deserved.

By the way, when I was younger, I took a job. 2 Weeks later, before I started my new job, I was given another job offer for more money.

I stuck to my word, and stayed with my committment.
Believe it, or not.

Boozer was given $5 mil, but it still wasn't enough.
Anyone that thinks what Boozer did was ok, I have no further reason to discuss this with you. He is a lying scumbag.......................................
 
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jimotis4heisman said:
boozer said if clevland matched, they didnt come close. im sorry but if you had the oppurtunity to make 150% of what you make now would you take it??
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Sure. But they certainly don't miss him or his fat contract!!

Good job, Gooden.
 
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Mike really needs to get his butt out of Milwaukee. I just checked the All-Star balloting and he's note even in the top 10 vote getters among eastern conference guards. It's the perfect time for him to grab a big contract, and if he wants to see the playoffs or to win a championship he needs to move.
 
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Xevious said:
Mike really needs to get his butt out of Milwaukee. I just checked the All-Star balloting and he's note even in the top 10 vote getters among eastern conference guards. It's the perfect time for him to grab a big contract, and if he wants to see the playoffs or to win a championship he needs to move.
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That's funny. And go where to Cleveland?!?!? ha ha ha.

The problem, and I wouldn't expect you to know this, is that Milwaukee is saddled with millions of dollars of cap money that is being paid to players no longer with the team. Players George Karl brought in during the "Big 3" years when they were one win away from the finals. That money is off the books after this year.

The only way Michael leaves is if Milwaukee doesn't want to pay him for what he is perceived to be worth. I love Redd, but he hasn't been able to quite reach that "top level" of guys... He can be shut down...doesn't happen often..but guys like Shaq and Duncan, A.I., and Kobe just don't get shut down. He is in that next level below the "superstars"... but he will get superstar $$$ ... that is just the way the NBA is set up....

I think Redd stays a buck. Heck there is talk of them getting Ray Ray back..since he loved Milwaukee.
 
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I know Milwaukee has tons of cash, but he's stated he wants to stay and they still haven't presented him an offer, or at least one he can't refuse. They may be waiting to see what sort of offers he gets on the open market. I'm not sure Mike will ever make it to superstar status since it seems he prefers jump shots to driving to the hoop.

I don't see what's wrong with him going to Cleveland. If the Cavs can keep Z, and James, Redd would be able to camp out at the 3 point line. Playing on the same team as James would provide 10 times the exposure he gets in Milwaukee. Any team with a solid post game would help get him more open shots than he's getting now.

Whatever he does, I just hope he gets as much $$$ as he deserves and is on TV more.
 
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Milwaukee is hoping they can sign Z next year... That would provide the low post player we desperately need. We are still waiting word on whether or not T.J. Ford will ever play again...he was a top 10 pick for us that had a spinal injury.

That hurts a franchise like ours when your lottery pick is maybe one year and done for a career.
I know Clev. is now "media friendly" because of Lebron...but before him...they were the abyss. I just wonder if he will want to stay a Cav on his next contract.
 
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BuckStocks, Ignoring your personal interest in Milwaukee, do you really think that's the best place for Mike? I really don't care where he plays as long as he gets the recognition he deserves and I don't think he will get it playing for the Bucks, at least not in the near future. He's 25 years old now and in his prime. Mike should be on a contender or at least a playoff bound team.
 
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It is kinda hard NOT to ignore my personal interest.....kinda like it is hard to suspend my personal bias towards the buckeyes... that said..


I'm not sure why playing in Milwaukee is such a bad thing. Is every good player supposed to play in New York & L.A. ? Heck Lebron plays in Cleveland.... KG is in Minnesota.... IF you are good enough you will get recognition. Last year was Mike's coming out party so to speak.... he elevated his game. He got all star recognition.

Let's face it... Cleveland hasn't been a very good franchise for a long time. Milwaukee was one game away from the Finals in '99 vs a Laker team they had handled during the regular season (one of the few teams to be able to say that).

I had to go look up some #'s to see if I was correct.... here are the results...

2003-04 35-47 ?
2002-03 17-65 8th place in division
2001-02 29-53 7th
2000-01 30-52 6th
1999-00 32-50 6th
1998-99 22-28 7th
1997-98 47-35 5th
1996-97 42-40 5th
1995-96 47-35 3rd
1994-95 43-39 4th

It's been almost ten years since you have even finished 3rd in the division. Not even a winning record since 97. Hardly a "sparkling" franchise.

The bucks were marvelous in the 80's .. stunk in the 90's and were good again to start the 2000's. They are struggling mightily this year, but injuries have a lot to do with that. They still have NO post presence at all.

Would Michael get more attention on Cleveland? Not sure of that. Lebron is going to steal the show and over shadow anyone else on that team. At least in Milwaukee, Redd can be the #1 name....the go to guy. He will always play second fiddle if he were in Cleveland.

I thought you might find Michael's career #'s interesting to read.... this is the guy who is supposed to be the "franchise" player...

He has averaged over his career 16.8 pts/game. Last year he was around 21-22 and this year he is the same I think.

I will not bash Michael AT ALL.... but I don't think he is the franchise player some here may think he is. He is the best Milwaukee has right now - by far. He works hard in practice, plays D, scores...is fan friendly....can't ask for much more.... but if you were giving out max contracts - which I think he might get...cause.....doesn't everyone nowadays?....... I could probably think of a lot of other people who would be in front of him to collect that check.

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That said.... rumor has him going to Denver for Nene Hilario(sp?). I love Michael and hope he stays.... I don't think he would get much more pub if he played elsewhere unless it was NY or LA....but then who wouldn't.... that is what the NBA sells. Same as baseball(puke)
 
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Past failures and successes of either program do not matter here. Only the teams current performance and future potential are worth looking at. Mike isn't going back in time to play for Milwaukee, or to the Cavs w/o LJ.

Unfortunately Mike doesn't have they type of game to elevate himself to superstar status, he's not a flashy dunker, and isn't going to put up 50 on someone. He's mainly known for outstanding shooting. His quiet demeanor doesn't draw attention to him either. KG and LJ, McGrady, these players will draw attention regardless of where they play.

IF you are good enough you will get recognition. Last year was Mike's coming out party so to speak.... he elevated his game. He got all star recognition.
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This is not true. Mike was not even close to making the All Star game last year, he was selected by coaches. Yeah, great coaches and die hard basketball fans know who he is. As do people in Milwaukee. If that's good enough for him, then it's fine. I just think that if he wants more he should go somewhere else.

I'll also point out that Milwaukee is one of the smaller markets for NBA teams, this automatically reduces his pub. I would guess the Bulls may still have fans in the area?

Would Michael get more attention on Cleveland? Not sure of that. Lebron is going to steal the show and over shadow anyone else on that team. At least in Milwaukee, Redd can be the #1 name....the go to guy. He will always play second fiddle if he were in Cleveland.
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Pippen played 2nd fiddle to MJ and probably got more recognition than he deserved. Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Kukoc, Scott Williams..... These guys were only known to most people because they played with Jordan. Derek Fisher has a bigger reputation than Mike, is he close to the player Mike is? No.

I agree with you that Mike isn't a franchise player. As I stated before, I don't care where he ends up as much as I care that he receives the $$ and recognition he deserves. For this to happen I think he needs to be on a team with a big man that can draw defenders and a decent PG. Obviously it's possible the Bucks will turn everything around next season, but I think he can do better than Milwaukee in it's current state.

It sounds like there is one thing we probably agree on. Baseball SUCKS!!!
 
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There's a rumor that the Cavs might trade Pavlovic, Varejao, and Jackson for Redd. I would love to get Redd, but not at that cost. Take Varejao out of that and I would take it. They need to wait till the off season and see if they can sign Redd or Ray Allen. I'm sure there are plenty of good shooting guards out there that would love to play with Lebron.
 
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from a bucks board:

As an FYI on the Cleveland trade, about 3 weeks ago, Larry Harris was asked on a radio show about rumors that the Bucks were going to trade Redd to the Cavs for Luke Jackson and Anderson Varajao.

Harris laughed and said...."Yeah, that would be a GREAT DEAL....for CLEVELAND.....let's see, an NBA All-star, third team all-NBA for two guys who can't even get off the bench in Cleveland....no, that isn't a trade we will be making"

here is another one being thrown around:

1. To Denver for Nene and a future first-round pick. The Bucks would then try to trade Smith or Van Horn to free up more cap room after the season so they can extend Nene's deal.

also heard something about Golden State.... at this point who the heck knows....

Rumor has KVH and Joe Smith going to Philly for Big Dog and Corliss Williamson. Reason = KVH makes 15 mil this year and next... big dog is only signed for this year around same amt. That frees up that much more $$ for next year....

(this whole situation is a mess)
 
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