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LitlBuck said:
you guys do frog legs down there:huh:
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abso-freaking-lutely!

MaxBuck said:
I've lived near the Gulf, and honestly unless you load up right from the boat you're better off eating frozen, farm-raised shrimp. They don't stay fresh very long. Tiger shrimp are the tastiest IMO, though obviously that's a matter of individual taste.
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correct. you can keep them on ice for a lil while, but you need to separate/peel/freeze within a day or so if you want them to last.

we typically fill the freezer toward the end of the August season with enough shrimp to last us until the may season. then early May season we get enough to hold us over until end of August season.
some we just headless and freeze to be boiled later.
some we completely peel to be used later in gumbo/stew/ettoufee/spaghetti/jambalya/etc.
 
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nothing like a good Shrimp Jambalaya (can be done with left over boiled crawfish as well)

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Nutriaitch said:
so thinking about going get some gator to fry got me wondering.

how is the seafood (or anything else near the water) up along the Great Lakes?

as a rule, I typically don't eat seafood once I leave south Louisiana.
but if I was to head up to Ohio, what would y'all recommend I try?

what kind of fish is the popular breed that comes from the rivers or lakes?
what does the brutal winters do to the fishing?

any other water dwelling critters up there that are good eating?

as someone who has never left the "south", I've always kinda wondered about stuff like that.
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Not to dismiss TDUNK's much more economical post, I'll ramble for a while, this will be Lake Erie and specifically western lake erie and tributary centric...

But having said that, its an amazing fishery... and As TDUNK mentioned, the big time economic target fish are Walleye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walleye (I'll be putting these links throughout because people call different fish different things different places) and Yellow Perch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_perch (Not to be confused with White perch, which is really a bass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_perch , though there are plenty of those in the lake too)



But, they're full of all kinds of interesting things, so what I'll call "open lake" the most common things you're gonna happen into are Walleye, Yellow Perch, then kind of in some order after that

- White Bass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_bass (which are decried as "trash fish" but most of the Walleye set, but, I tend to catch a lot of them Perch Fishing, and I'll keep the a few 12-14 inchers, and eat them ASAP, pretty good.

- The Afforementioned White Perch

- Sheepshead (Freshwater Drum) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshwater_drum which I find... uh... not palatable.

- Carp, which you see nets set for certain times of year, and they're trucked to the East Coast for Gefilte fish.

(Its important to note that Ohio does not generally issue commercial Licenses for the top tier game fish, so, Perch and Walleye you can buy from the lake are more often "Canadian" in origin. @kinch - the stuff in the store is usuall pretty good, and both Perch and Walleye Freeze well, you can order them online from guys who flash freeze them on the boats. Again, Canadian)

Since there's a culinary bent here, I'll pause at this point to talk cooking. I like some others here am a Perch junkie. And, hats off to Louisiana, but, it makes a fine Po Boy with some corn meal, spices, Fried as a sammich. Walleye, is a little more versatile for a lot of reasons, obviously, filet size being at the top of the list. Now, if you're frying it, I think the classic local way is to coat it in crushed up ritz crackers (and if its not, that's damned good) But, blackened... is out there, pan seared is good... baked works, try panko bread crumbs and a little butter... also, I've done ceviche with fish right out of the lake.... pretty damned good too.

Then of course around shore areas as @Crump's brother would not let me forget, its a world class (Black) bass fishery. Now, I don't fish for bass there (on purpose) but some guys who run out of the same marina do, and they're big and plentiful. And if you're ever at the East Harbor beach, you'll probably see guys in bass boats firing lures off the rocks of the break walls and catching big fish. All around the islands too (They're not called the Bass islands for nothing)... Now, there were, and may still be a restriction on keeping black bass in the spring, there's been concern about (I assume) taking the Mother Bass away from their fry to be eaten by round gobies. (This is one of the more recent "End of the World" invasive species to enter the lakes. Unfortunately for the Goby's they're small, slow, gelatinous and tasty, and well, Walleye and Bass are big fast and hungry. There's also been a resurgence of the Lake Erie water snake which loves them some round goby to the degree that they're off the endangered species list - and all over the freaking place now)

Then, the tributaries... and you can fish for Walleye and white Bass in some of the tribs spawning in the spring... (and carp and gar and all the other forage fish with them too) I'm sure the Toledo and Fremont guys here can tell you more about that... but, as TDunk mentioned, there are a number of world class steelhead rivers... Now, Ohio DNR does most of the stocking of these and they are big and fun to catch. The DNR used to stock Chinook and/or Coho (can't remember which) Salmon, but they had a bad habit of not returning to Ohio to spawn and like NY and PA better. But there's a good amount of Salmonids up there as well, though I think these are more targeted in the other great lakes.

And a nod to the salmonidae past...

Now the wraiths of the deep water fighting it out with the lampreys...

Cisco: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coregonus_artedi

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2014/01/26/lake-erie-fish-floundering.html

Whitefish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_whitefish (These are good as hell smoked)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...593_1_lake-michigan-lake-erie-charter-captain

(Now, there's some thought that there are plenty of whitefish in the lake, its just you can't catch them without gill nets, which are mostly illegal)

Lake Trout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_trout

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-holding-on-in-Lake-Erie/stories/201405180131

And really a freshwater cod, the Burbot:

http://beltmag.com/out-all-night-with-lake-eries-burbot-whisperer/

Now of course in the bays, there are crappie and northern pike to chase them around... and big Catfish. http://www.in-fisherman.com/catfish/channel-catfish/channel-catfish-locations/ (We've tried fishing off the back of our boat in West Harbor, the cats steal everything not on a bobber... immediately)


Other random stuff.

Freshwater Mussel... they're there... but, protected.... I'll be honest, I've never eaten one. Having said that, they're in beds in places in mud flats, just like the ocean, and I've seen people raking them (poaching, whichever you like) between Huron and Vermillion.

http://www.cleveland.com/food/index.ssf/2014/09/clams_grown_in_ohio_were_not_k.html

Sea Lampreys, ok just ugly and destructive:

http://www.cleveland.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2013/04/explosion_of_sea_lamprey_aroun.html

Jelly Fish:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...-harmless-jellyfish-inhabit-ohios-waters.html

Bloody Red Shrimp (Neither shrimp nor bloody)

http://www.invadingspecies.com/invaders/invertebrates/bloody-red-shrimp/

Smelt (which in the winter people catch and eat)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_smelt

Blue Pike (Extinct) But damn near its own big foot, if there ever was a blue pike in the first place:

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...tinct-but-did-they-ever-really-exist/6584083/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_walleye
http://www.walleyecentral.com/blue_pike.shtml

And well, mercifully for all of you, I'm out of time.
 
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AKAK said:
Not to dismiss TDUNK's much more economical post, I'll ramble for a while, this will be Lake Erie and specifically western lake erie and tributary centric...

But having said that, its an amazing fishery... and As TDUNK mentioned, the big time economic target fish are Walleye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walleye (I'll be putting these links throughout because people call different fish different things different places) and Yellow Perch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_perch (Not to be confused with White perch, which is really a bass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_perch , though there are plenty of those in the lake too)



But, they're full of all kinds of interesting things, so what I'll call "open lake" the most common things you're gonna happen into are Walleye, Yellow Perch, then kind of in some order after that

- White Bass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_bass (which are decried as "trash fish" but most of the Walleye set, but, I tend to catch a lot of them Perch Fishing, and I'll keep the a few 12-14 inchers, and eat them ASAP, pretty good.

- The Afforementioned White Perch

- Sheepshead (Freshwater Drum) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshwater_drum which I find... uh... not palatable.

- Carp, which you see nets set for certain times of year, and they're trucked to the East Coast for Gefilte fish.

(Its important to note that Ohio does not generally issue commercial Licenses for the top tier game fish, so, Perch and Walleye you can buy from the lake are more often "Canadian" in origin. @kinch - the stuff in the store is usuall pretty good, and both Perch and Walleye Freeze well, you can order them online from guys who flash freeze them on the boats. Again, Canadian)

Since there's a culinary bent here, I'll pause at this point to talk cooking. I like some others here am a Perch junkie. And, hats off to Louisiana, but, it makes a fine Po Boy with some corn meal, spices, Fried as a sammich. Walleye, is a little more versatile for a lot of reasons, obviously, filet size being at the top of the list. Now, if you're frying it, I think the classic local way is to coat it in crushed up ritz crackers (and if its not, that's damned good) But, blackened... is out there, pan seared is good... baked works, try panko bread crumbs and a little butter... also, I've done ceviche with fish right out of the lake.... pretty damned good too.

Then of course around shore areas as @Crump's brother would not let me forget, its a world class (Black) bass fishery. Now, I don't fish for bass there (on purpose) but some guys who run out of the same marina do, and they're big and plentiful. And if you're ever at the East Harbor beach, you'll probably see guys in bass boats firing lures off the rocks of the break walls and catching big fish. All around the islands too (They're not called the Bass islands for nothing)... Now, there were, and may still be a restriction on keeping black bass in the spring, there's been concern about (I assume) taking the Mother Bass away from their fry to be eaten by round gobies. (This is one of the more recent "End of the World" invasive species to enter the lakes. Unfortunately for the Goby's they're small, slow, gelatinous and tasty, and well, Walleye and Bass are big fast and hungry. There's also been a resurgence of the Lake Erie water snake which loves them some round goby to the degree that they're off the endangered species list - and all over the freaking place now)

Then, the tributaries... and you can fish for Walleye and white Bass in some of the tribs spawning in the spring... (and carp and gar and all the other forage fish with them too) I'm sure the Toledo and Fremont guys here can tell you more about that... but, as TDunk mentioned, there are a number of world class steelhead rivers... Now, Ohio DNR does most of the stocking of these and they are big and fun to catch. The DNR used to stock Chinook and/or Coho (can't remember which) Salmon, but they had a bad habit of not returning to Ohio to spawn and like NY and PA better. But there's a good amount of Salmonids up there as well, though I think these are more targeted in the other great lakes.

And a nod to the salmonidae past...

Now the wraiths of the deep water fighting it out with the lampreys...

Cisco: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coregonus_artedi

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2014/01/26/lake-erie-fish-floundering.html

Whitefish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_whitefish (These are good as hell smoked)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...593_1_lake-michigan-lake-erie-charter-captain

(Now, there's some thought that there are plenty of whitefish in the lake, its just you can't catch them without gill nets, which are mostly illegal)

Lake Trout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_trout

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-holding-on-in-Lake-Erie/stories/201405180131

And really a freshwater cod, the Burbot:

http://beltmag.com/out-all-night-with-lake-eries-burbot-whisperer/

Now of course in the bays, there are crappie and northern pike to chase them around... and big Catfish. http://www.in-fisherman.com/catfish/channel-catfish/channel-catfish-locations/ (We've tried fishing off the back of our boat in West Harbor, the cats steal everything not on a bobber... immediately)


Other random stuff.

Freshwater Mussel... they're there... but, protected.... I'll be honest, I've never eaten one. Having said that, they're in beds in places in mud flats, just like the ocean, and I've seen people raking them (poaching, whichever you like) between Huron and Vermillion.

http://www.cleveland.com/food/index.ssf/2014/09/clams_grown_in_ohio_were_not_k.html

Sea Lampreys, ok just ugly and destructive:

http://www.cleveland.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2013/04/explosion_of_sea_lamprey_aroun.html

Jelly Fish:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...-harmless-jellyfish-inhabit-ohios-waters.html

Bloody Red Shrimp (Neither shrimp nor bloody)

http://www.invadingspecies.com/invaders/invertebrates/bloody-red-shrimp/

Smelt (which in the winter people catch and eat)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_smelt

Blue Pike (Extinct) But damn near its own big foot, if there ever was a blue pike in the first place:

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...tinct-but-did-they-ever-really-exist/6584083/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_walleye
http://www.walleyecentral.com/blue_pike.shtml

And well, mercifully for all of you, I'm out of time.
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More detail would be helpful.
 
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AKAK said:
Not to dismiss TDUNK's much more economical post, I'll ramble for a while, this will be Lake Erie and specifically western lake erie and tributary centric...

But having said that, its an amazing fishery... and As TDUNK mentioned, the big time economic target fish are Walleye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walleye (I'll be putting these links throughout because people call different fish different things different places) and Yellow Perch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_perch (Not to be confused with White perch, which is really a bass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_perch , though there are plenty of those in the lake too)



But, they're full of all kinds of interesting things, so what I'll call "open lake" the most common things you're gonna happen into are Walleye, Yellow Perch, then kind of in some order after that

- White Bass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_bass (which are decried as "trash fish" but most of the Walleye set, but, I tend to catch a lot of them Perch Fishing, and I'll keep the a few 12-14 inchers, and eat them ASAP, pretty good.

- The Afforementioned White Perch

- Sheepshead (Freshwater Drum) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshwater_drum which I find... uh... not palatable.

- Carp, which you see nets set for certain times of year, and they're trucked to the East Coast for Gefilte fish.

(Its important to note that Ohio does not generally issue commercial Licenses for the top tier game fish, so, Perch and Walleye you can buy from the lake are more often "Canadian" in origin. @kinch - the stuff in the store is usuall pretty good, and both Perch and Walleye Freeze well, you can order them online from guys who flash freeze them on the boats. Again, Canadian)

Since there's a culinary bent here, I'll pause at this point to talk cooking. I like some others here am a Perch junkie. And, hats off to Louisiana, but, it makes a fine Po Boy with some corn meal, spices, Fried as a sammich. Walleye, is a little more versatile for a lot of reasons, obviously, filet size being at the top of the list. Now, if you're frying it, I think the classic local way is to coat it in crushed up ritz crackers (and if its not, that's damned good) But, blackened... is out there, pan seared is good... baked works, try panko bread crumbs and a little butter... also, I've done ceviche with fish right out of the lake.... pretty damned good too.

Then of course around shore areas as @Crump's brother would not let me forget, its a world class (Black) bass fishery. Now, I don't fish for bass there (on purpose) but some guys who run out of the same marina do, and they're big and plentiful. And if you're ever at the East Harbor beach, you'll probably see guys in bass boats firing lures off the rocks of the break walls and catching big fish. All around the islands too (They're not called the Bass islands for nothing)... Now, there were, and may still be a restriction on keeping black bass in the spring, there's been concern about (I assume) taking the Mother Bass away from their fry to be eaten by round gobies. (This is one of the more recent "End of the World" invasive species to enter the lakes. Unfortunately for the Goby's they're small, slow, gelatinous and tasty, and well, Walleye and Bass are big fast and hungry. There's also been a resurgence of the Lake Erie water snake which loves them some round goby to the degree that they're off the endangered species list - and all over the freaking place now)

Then, the tributaries... and you can fish for Walleye and white Bass in some of the tribs spawning in the spring... (and carp and gar and all the other forage fish with them too) I'm sure the Toledo and Fremont guys here can tell you more about that... but, as TDunk mentioned, there are a number of world class steelhead rivers... Now, Ohio DNR does most of the stocking of these and they are big and fun to catch. The DNR used to stock Chinook and/or Coho (can't remember which) Salmon, but they had a bad habit of not returning to Ohio to spawn and like NY and PA better. But there's a good amount of Salmonids up there as well, though I think these are more targeted in the other great lakes.

And a nod to the salmonidae past...

Now the wraiths of the deep water fighting it out with the lampreys...

Cisco: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coregonus_artedi

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2014/01/26/lake-erie-fish-floundering.html

Whitefish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_whitefish (These are good as hell smoked)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...593_1_lake-michigan-lake-erie-charter-captain

(Now, there's some thought that there are plenty of whitefish in the lake, its just you can't catch them without gill nets, which are mostly illegal)

Lake Trout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_trout

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-holding-on-in-Lake-Erie/stories/201405180131

And really a freshwater cod, the Burbot:

http://beltmag.com/out-all-night-with-lake-eries-burbot-whisperer/

Now of course in the bays, there are crappie and northern pike to chase them around... and big Catfish. http://www.in-fisherman.com/catfish/channel-catfish/channel-catfish-locations/ (We've tried fishing off the back of our boat in West Harbor, the cats steal everything not on a bobber... immediately)


Other random stuff.

Freshwater Mussel... they're there... but, protected.... I'll be honest, I've never eaten one. Having said that, they're in beds in places in mud flats, just like the ocean, and I've seen people raking them (poaching, whichever you like) between Huron and Vermillion.

http://www.cleveland.com/food/index.ssf/2014/09/clams_grown_in_ohio_were_not_k.html

Sea Lampreys, ok just ugly and destructive:

http://www.cleveland.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2013/04/explosion_of_sea_lamprey_aroun.html

Jelly Fish:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...-harmless-jellyfish-inhabit-ohios-waters.html

Bloody Red Shrimp (Neither shrimp nor bloody)

http://www.invadingspecies.com/invaders/invertebrates/bloody-red-shrimp/

Smelt (which in the winter people catch and eat)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_smelt

Blue Pike (Extinct) But damn near its own big foot, if there ever was a blue pike in the first place:

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...tinct-but-did-they-ever-really-exist/6584083/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_walleye
http://www.walleyecentral.com/blue_pike.shtml

And well, mercifully for all of you, I'm out of time.
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when I get home and have a computer i'll read more of this and click more links.

first thing that jumped out at me was that what we call sheepshead and what y'all call it is two COMPLETELY different fish.

ours is a saltwater fish that eats damn near anything. and can be caught all year long.
some really tough sumbitches and will put up a decent fight.

really white meat that is very good eating, but they are a BITCH to clean because they're bony with really tough scales.

ugly bastards too.

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and they got teeth you'd find in a trailer park in Alabama

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Nutriaitch said:
when I get home and have a computer i'll read more of this and click more links.

first thing that jumped out at me was that what we call sheepshead and what y'all call it is two COMPLETELY different fish.

ours is a saltwater fish that eats damn near anything. and can be caught all year long.
some really tough sumbitches and will put up a decent fight.

really white meat that is very good eating, but they are a BITCH to clean because they're bony with really tough scales.

ugly bastards too.

D27FB2A6-236D-44F6-87CF-83BB371733B7_zpsrntrta1e.jpg


and they got teeth you'd find in a trailer park in Alabama

5262840A-882D-4F40-A823-031D6B22D109_zps4sizntvu.jpg
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I remember going fishing off of Hilton Head some years back. We had a charter boat, but they determined it was to rough to go out, so we hung in the Harbor River area. The captain says we are going after sheephead and I was like the fuck we are, I am not fishing for that trash fish. Anyway, after he explained it we had a great time and some good eats.
 
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kinch said:
Wow, I take it those fish don't engage in fellatio.
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who knows with these things.
they're mostly a bottom feeder that uses those teeth to crack open the shells of oysters and gnaw barnacles off of pilings and stuff.

i typically don't keep them unless I'm not catching ANYTHING else.

the meat is very clean and white and really good eating.
just that you don't get enough meat per filet to justify the amount of work it is to get to the meat.
damn near need a sawsall to get through the bones.


one of the good things about them is there is no size or quantity limit on them.
 
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kinch said:
Is there anywhere one can fish in or very near Columbus and eat the fish without dying?
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If you're worried about mercury concentrations and the like, I'd stick with the Alum Creek or Big Walnut systems over, say the Scioto/Olentangy. (this is based on advisories I've read, but, I don't think any of them are particularly harmful unless you have a serious catch and eat habit.)
 
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