Scholarship Breakdown by Class

[jwinslow]

As of right now, the numbers are not adding up (to include the other 2 - 4 guys the staff is after). Without mentioning names, how does this class finish and how does it affect the current roster? Looking at the roster, its difficult to predict any transfers but I do see 3-4 potential medical hardships. Grey-Shirts? Red-Shirt Seniors who have earned their degrees? Again no names, just potential numbers.

They are at 85 now. They'll likely add 2 (Pridgeon, Harrison), and there are 3 pretty strong medical hardship candidates (and I don't mean the James Clark variety).

 

[jwinslow]

Over on scout, I speculated about how OSU could find room to sign 20-22 next year in the potentially epic 2017 recruiting class.

All of these numbers are for 2017, not 2016.

91 - scholarships (2017)
+2 - Pridgeon, Harrison
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93
-3 medicals
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90
-3 NFL (Kwon, Conley, Hubbard)
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87

To add 10-12 more, you need attrition. This is pure speculation:

2-3 - 4th yr jrs walk at sr day 2016. I see 3 guys who could fit this category.

1 - non qualifier or grayshirt

1-2 - transfers - guys that are unhappy or have other reasons to leave.

2-3 - dismissals. We are 1.5 years from Fall 2017. Kids mess up, and backups don't get second chances.

2-3 - OL move on. There are 18 on scholarship in 2017, yet they're signing a 19th (Pridgeon) to get to 5. Some aren't cutting it.

1-2 - DT move on. There are two trios of DTs, Sprinkle/Munger/Hill as Srs in 17, and Landers, Hamilton, Alabi. Do they all make it two more years? Especially when you factor in that Jones is actually a fourth DT in that Landers trio and Cornell could be.

87 spots

9-14 - speculative attrition

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78-73 spots (w/ ten 2017 verbals factored in)

7-12 more spots

aka

17-22 signees in 2017.

 

[Dryden]

Stood at 89 prior to Urban's presser today. Berger is a confirmed hardship waiver and Chrisman will greyshirt. Per Lesmerises, the staff knows of two other players that have issues, but it was stated these are not of the medical variety.

the Buckeyes, according to a source, are aware of other issues that could impact two other players. Ohio State will let those play out over the next several months, anticipating that the decisions will work themselves out.

Not sure how to read that. They're at 87, so what is there to "play out?"

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/02/how_ohio_state_will_get_to_its.html

45 (!) players this coming season will be on freshman eligibility.

 

[Oh8ch]

Just moved all the recruits forward to the roster. Left Chrisman as a member of the 2017 class as that is effectively what he will be as a greyshirt.

Not sure how to read that. They're at 87, so what is there to "play out?"

They are not at 87 until school or practice starts next fall - so plenty of time for things to play out.

45 (!) players this coming season will be on freshman eligibility.

I have that number as 44 since Pridgeon comes in as a Junior. In any case, that is a lot.


Also noteworthy that we have five Frosh TEs. Granted, somebody is going to move, but 5 is a bunch.

 

[jwinslow]

Also noteworthy that we have five Frosh TEs. Granted, somebody is going to move, but 5 is a bunch.

That's another one that would have been a candidate for my list. It might be a bit too early for attrition, but Baugh is going to start and Hausmann is a favorite to contribute. That leaves 3 tweeners and another TE (Farrell) fighting for backup spots. Will all of them stick around?

 

[wadc45]

WR is definitely a position group that could see some attrition. Dixon and Clark are two guys who have battled injuries and need to make some progress or risk being passed up by the younger guys. OL and DB are other spots where the sheer numbers the last two years makes you think there are some older guys that could be in trouble. It's really not fair to speculate but you can look at the scholarship breakdown by class and easily identify which players have not seen the field in 2-3 years because of injury or being passed on the depth chart. I am expecting one more medical hardship waiver and at least one transfer by the start of fall camp, but that is just a guess on my part. It is never fun to speculate about this kind of stuff because it is a terrible situation to see a guy like Kyle Berger have to hang it up but it is also a very real conversation that has to be going on inside the WHAC when you are two over the limit.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Hate but understand this part of the game (business).

 

[jwinslow]

Hate but understand this part of the game (business).

I really don't think this year is that unseemly. There are multiple legitimate medical hardship waivers and there will be other attrition. It is next year where things will get stickier, but again, it's a business and pretty much how it's done all over at this point.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I really don't think this year is that unseemly. There are multiple legitimate medical hardship waivers and there will be other attrition. It is next year where things will get stickier, but again, it's a business and pretty much how it's done all over at this point.

Agreed its not this year, its next

side note: are there NCAA rules preventing walk-ons from playing a certain amount?

 

[jwinslow]

Agreed its not this year, its next

side note: are there NCAA rules preventing walk-ons from playing a certain amount?

Walkons can start and play every snap. Their talent is what usually limits their PT.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Walkons can start and play every snap. Their talent is what usually limits their PT.

just wondering .... thinking about gaming the 85 limit.... why families with the means don't offer to pay for schooling and give the scholly to someone else who might could use it and would help the team acquire more talent... something akin to Nebraska's one time massive walkon program.... maybe I'm just naive

 

[wadc45]

just wondering .... thinking about gaming the 85 limit.... why families with the means don't offer to pay for schooling and give the scholly to someone else who might could use it and would help the team acquire more talent... something akin to Nebraska's one time massive walkon program.... maybe I'm just naive

I believe there are rules about a kid who comes in on an official visit and eventually plays. That's why you never see potential walkons brought in for official visits. Someone who understands the NCAA bylaws better can probably elaborate.

 

[jwinslow]

just wondering .... thinking about gaming the 85 limit.... why families with the means don't offer to pay for schooling and give the scholly to someone else who might could use it and would help the team acquire more talent... something akin to Nebraska's one time massive walkon program.... maybe I'm just naive

You're talking about 25-40k per year (100-160k over 4 years), not to mention the distinction and honor of being a scholarship player. I think a grayshirt situation would be more reasonable, and frankly that is used regardless of financial means.

I believe there are rules about a kid who comes in on an official visit and eventually plays. That's why you never see potential walkons brought in for official visits. Someone who understands the NCAA bylaws better can probably elaborate.

Yup, I believe you are correct.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I believe there are rules about a kid who comes in on an official visit and eventually plays. That's why you never see potential walkons brought in for official visits. Someone who understands the NCAA bylaws better can probably elaborate.

I assumed there had be some reason... i'm reasonably intelligent (yuck it up) but if they weren't doing it already there had to be rule

 

[Oh8ch]

Just looking at 11Warriors write up on the 2012 recruting class. Of 25 recruits only 12 finished their careers at OSU. The rest voluntarily transferred, were dismissed or were given medical hardships.

Tough to read some of those names and think what could have been, but the numbers always work out.