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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

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I just read the last four pages of this thread. I have a few thoughts...

HTM, the last time I saw anyone defend a coach in such a losing cause was the hopeless challenge NDChief set himself for Charlie Weis.

Regardless of how much we may dislike TSUN, I don't remember anyone ever saying that a TSUN coach was a scumbag, until now. That is why, by the way, I don't use the term scUM to refer to your university.

Whether you care to see it or not, your new coach has shown you his values. He puts himself first. Before his employer. Before his team. Going on home visits to team members, when he knows the spotlight is on him, doesn't change what his recent behavior tells us about him.

NDChief and I once had a similar exchange to the one you just had with Sand. It was shortly after Weis had been appointed at Notre Dame.

I thought Weis was an egotistical bastard that would destroy the Notre Dame program, instead of build it. I thought he was anything but an offensive genius. NDChief vehemently disagreed. At the time, I told NDChief that time would tell us which of us was right but that Charlie Weis had shown us all exactly what his values were.

Perhaps NDChief might still be right one day but I think I called it pretty well, don't you?

Now, you think we're against RR because he's the new TSUN coach and that we are eager to magnify his faults because he's about to steal our #1 recruit. Already, in your mind, you are convinced that RR has got Pryor in his pocket. I think you may be getting well ahead of yourself. This young man is going to make his visits. He is going to take a knowledgeable family member along to be sure that he has some maturity influencing his decision making.

You think we're afraid of RR and that he is really going to turn your program around. NDChief thought we were commenting for similar reasons at the time. We agree that he is going to turn your program around, it's the direction where he will take it that provides the source of our disagreement.

So, here is a post that you can come back and show me in a few years if I am wrong. Don't even bother answering this post because I am not trying to start a conversation and your opinions have been clearly stated. I am not calling you out and it doesn't matter if you agree with me.

RR's lack of ethics are going to come back to haunt the TSUN football program and eventually cause big problems. His selfishness also will impact on the program and create internal friction between him and the university.

Personally, I am far from convinced that Pryor will go to TSUN. If he goes to play for this guy, he will be far less than he might have been under Tressel and he will have the same memories that Mike Hart has of Ohio State. If he chooses RR over Tressel, he will be as sorry for the day he made that decision as you will be eventually that RR was named your team's head coach.

One thing TSUN fans could do was respect their coach and his values. When this guy was hired, that ended.

If I am wrong about this, please feel free to recall this post anytime after 2011.
 
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Here is something to consider:

When Tressel was hired by tOSU, what did Y-town fans tell us?

When RR was hired by TSUN, what did WVU fans tell them?

That's not the final word on things, but it's worth consideration. Rarely do coaches who leave a previous program with acrimony turn out well in their new digs.
 
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Steve19;1065543; said:
Whether you care to see it or not, your new coach has shown you his values. He puts himself first. Before his employer. Before his team. Going on home visits to team members, when he knows the spotlight is on him, doesn't change what his recent behavior tells us about him.

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One thing TSUN fans could do was respect their coach and his values. When this guy was hired, that ended.

If I am wrong about this, please feel free to recall this post anytime after 2011.
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I have to agree with this. Where Carr was concerned, I could make fun of his coaching, but certainly not his integrity. In fact, I would even go this far (while really gritting my teeth HARD): I sure wouldn't be overjoyed to see my kid play for Carr, but I wouldn't hide my head in shame either. Compared to a lot of other places he could play and learn, there are certainly worse places and worse people.

Dick Rod IS one of those worse people. The kind of "lessons" my son might learn under Dick Rod are the kind I would NOT want him to learn. There are few if any other coaches I'd want my kid to play for even less.

That for me is the acid test. Leaving the OSU vs. everybody else equation out of the mix, would you want YOUR kid playing for the guy?
 
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sandgk;1064011; said:
Free Press Article on DickWad Riguez learning about Hockey.

Also notes the need for him to get Pryor in AA or else!

There is also another piece concerning WVU's suit against their former coach - seeking affirmation of the contract.

Specifically the article cites the prior communication with Pryor

Well, Marcia, we at least know what Pryor remembered that very day about the conversation on Sunday with Rodriguez.
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So, you have the time 10AM, you can get the cell phone records, and you have a set of verbatim quotes from the highest profile of those contacted by Rodriguez.

Shame those WVU lawyers can't get good PIs.
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what i love the most about that article is that OSU doesn't "need" Pryor. It would be awesome if we can get him. He would definitely add some talent to our recruiting class but he is definitely not a need for tOSU. We have Boekman for 1 more year, Henton for 3, Bauserman was highly recruited a few years ago. Or QB cupboard isn't bare.

Without Pryor, Michigan is going to prolly have to go the Juco route for a qb.
 
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SonOfWoody;1065685; said:
I have to agree with this. Where Carr was concerned, I could make fun of his coaching, but certainly not his integrity. In fact, I would even go this far (while really gritting my teeth HARD): I sure wouldn't be overjoyed to see my kid play for Carr, but I wouldn't hide my head in shame either. Compared to a lot of other places he could play and learn, there are certainly worse places and worse people.

Dick Rod IS one of those worse people. The kind of "lessons" my son might learn under Dick Rod are the kind I would NOT want him to learn. There are few if any other coaches I'd want my kid to play for even less.

That for me is the acid test. Leaving the OSU vs. everybody else equation out of the mix, would you want YOUR kid playing for the guy?
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Another good one Son, I agree with your acid test. Even if rr turns it around in AA, and he will to some degree by bringing their S&C program out of the dark ages, I think in the long run a lot of Michigan fans will be disappointed in the roads rr takes them down.
 
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Charleston Gazette

Football player files missing
Fingers point to Rodriguez
MORGANTOWN — West Virginia officials are wondering if assistant coaches aren’t all that Rich Rodriguez took with him to Michigan. They believe he may also have destroyed all or most of the paperwork files relating to every player on the current Mountaineer roster and virtually all of the activities conducted by the program over the past seven years.

Soon after returning to work after the Fiesta Bowl a little more than a week ago, the staff at the Puskar Center found that most of the files — including all of the player files — that had been stored in Rodriguez’s private office were missing. In addition, all of the players’ strength and conditioning files in the weight room were gone.

“It’s unbelievable. Everything is gone, like it never existed,’’ said a source within the athletic department, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “Good, bad or indifferent, we don’t have a record of anything that has happened.’’

According to the source, the files in Rodriguez’s office that are now missing included everything from records regarding summer camps — financial and otherwise — to data on boosters, recruiting and most everything related to activities within the program during Rodriguez’s seven years at WVU.

Most disturbing, though, is the absence of all of the players’ personal files, which included, among other things, contact information, scholarship money awarded, class attendance records and records on personal conduct and community service, be it positive or negative.

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Yep, TSUN got themselves a real solid citizen with that hire. Great guy. Visiting the kids' apartments. Keepin' 'em straight and all that stuff. Why, gee willikers, he even attended a hocky game.

Just wait 'til these ethics come home to roost.
 
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"Now ya see, what ya'll need to understand is, them wasn't just any player files. Them were my player files, and I'll be goddamned if any other coach is going to look at my player files. He can go on and get his own player files if he wants em so bad."
 
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jwinslow;1066263; said:
Charleston Gazette

Football player files missing
Fingers point to Rodriguez
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Now that is a very interesting story - and certainly, as others have noted, it does not paint Dick Wadriguez in a positive light.

But, if we are to assign responsibility for this incident taking place then it is only reasonable to include both culpable parties in that assignment.

When you take that view then it is simple, the WVU Athletic Department gets a failing grade.

Put simply, the WVU Athletic Department and the remaining authority figures surrounding the football program should have taken much better care of their own backyard during their erstwhile Head Coach's departure. It is unfathomable to me that Pastilong did not assert the right of the institution and his Department to preserve any and all records pertaining to the Football Program.

Pastilong himself, or his representative with full authority, in the company of a couple of security guards should have been there to ensure that Dick Wad's exit was done by the numbers. Only personal effects to be taken, no records in WVU's name nor any data accumulated by the outgoing staff on existing members of the WVU Football roster to be touched, period, no exceptions.

And no excuses from WVU either - it was their house to guard - which responsibility they abrogated.
 
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