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Yes and no.

OSU may not have been the first team to hide/delay signals but it clearly had an effect. Many plays, especially in the first half, saw the Clemson D standing still waiting on ...something.

Also Sermon was indeed hard to tackle but he was getting 5-6 yard before contact in a lot of cases. His first quarter TD, 34 yards iirc, he went untouched.

I personally think the difference between the programs the past two years has been that OSU can match Clemson skill but has a big edge along both LOS's. Same for Bama. Interesting to see how it goes from here.

The scrambling before the snap I think was due to Nolan Turner being out and Brent trying to be extra exotic because we couldn't tackle Sermon.

And yea the first TD was all blocking but basically every other play he was making guys miss, running through tackles or dragging guys for extra yards. Even the plays that we got him for short gains or a loss he was making guys miss and falling forward

I don't think this is the nornal big bad Bama defense so I expect Sermon to be just as much of a beast next week

For Clemson can't wait to see what Brent will do next year with minimum 90% of the 2 deep coming back and this crappy taste left in their mouth. Expectations could not be higher for next years D.
 
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OSU may not have been the first team to hide/delay signals but it clearly had an effect. Many plays, especially in the first half, saw the Clemson D standing still waiting on ...something

There was a lot made in the media and social media about Ryan Day’s comment regarding Clemson sign stealing. I’m sure Clemson fans don’t believe it to be true, but apparently prominent, successful coaches like Ryan Day believe they do. Here’s a quote from Fields confirming it (Fields wouldn’t pull this out of nowhere):

“We just didn't want them stealing our signals,” Fields said. “And that's pretty much why we huddled up a little bit more than we usually do.”
 
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The bigger deal about sign stealing, in my view, is this. First, Clemson isn't the only team that steals signs. The sign stealing is also not against the rules. I would think if, say, Combs notices that every times Team X signals sign Y he'll take that into account on his play calls. But, I think what the difference is here is that it seems pretty clear Clemson in reliant on the sign stealing more than maybe anyone wants to admit. If it's true that Clemson has devoted the amount of resources to sign stealing as has been reported, well.. that tells you something about how necessary they believe it to be for their success. It also leads to laziness, if you ask me. How are you getting better as an in game coach if you're doing little more than reading a cue card?

Stealing a sign should be the icing on the cake. Not the cake itself.
 
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The bigger deal about sign stealing, in my view, is this. First, Clemson isn't the only team that steals signs. The sign stealing is also not against the rules. I would think if, say, Combs notices that every times Team X signals sign Y he'll take that into account on his play calls. But, I think what the difference is here is that it seems pretty clear Clemson in reliant on the sign stealing more than maybe anyone wants to admit. If it's true that Clemson has devoted the amount of resources to sign stealing as has been reported, well.. that tells you something about how necessary they believe it to be for their success. It also leads to laziness, if you ask me. How are you getting better as an in game coach if you're doing little more than reading a cue card?

Stealing a sign should be the icing on the cake. Not the cake itself.

Looked like it’s generally their entree, not even desert. They were clueless on most plays. It was :slappy:
 
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The bigger deal about sign stealing, in my view, is this. First, Clemson isn't the only team that steals signs. The sign stealing is also not against the rules. I would think if, say, Combs notices that every times Team X signals sign Y he'll take that into account on his play calls. But, I think what the difference is here is that it seems pretty clear Clemson in reliant on the sign stealing more than maybe anyone wants to admit. If it's true that Clemson has devoted the amount of resources to sign stealing as has been reported, well.. that tells you something about how necessary they believe it to be for their success. It also leads to laziness, if you ask me. How are you getting better as an in game coach if you're doing little more than reading a cue card?

Stealing a sign should be the icing on the cake. Not the cake itself.

I couldn’t care less about the sign “stealing” but (my point being) apparently opposing coaches care enough about it to change the tempo and gameplan.
 
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The bigger deal about sign stealing, in my view, is this. First, Clemson isn't the only team that steals signs. The sign stealing is also not against the rules. I would think if, say, Combs notices that every times Team X signals sign Y he'll take that into account on his play calls. But, I think what the difference is here is that it seems pretty clear Clemson in reliant on the sign stealing more than maybe anyone wants to admit. If it's true that Clemson has devoted the amount of resources to sign stealing as has been reported, well.. that tells you something about how necessary they believe it to be for their success. It also leads to laziness, if you ask me. How are you getting better as an in game coach if you're doing little more than reading a cue card?

Stealing a sign should be the icing on the cake. Not the cake itself.
It boils down to how well Fields handles pressure as Clemson blitzes the hell out of him.

Edit: also, I agree with all three of your notes. I feel like the zone blitzes are designed to disguise some weaknesses in personnel. They have two true freshman starting on the DL and a walk-in at safety.

If we can execute I think we can get things rolling, again, just a matter of how we deal with that blitz.
Just throwing out there my thought, which I put out way before the game kicked off, that Clemson’s entire zone blitz scheme is likely intended to disguise pretty glaring personnel weaknesses on their D due to inconsistent recruiting in the back seven.

Hat tip to @jwinslow for first mentioning their recruiting/player deficiencies.

So, they rely on stealing signs, a scheme that hides holes in their personnel, they have holes in their personnel because the money they funnel to players through the NewSpring Church only stretches so far, and they had four players randomly test positive for ostarine, from walkons to starters, indicating widespread use within the program and not an isolated incident.

I think they might be a bunch of cheating fucks.

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I did notice during the game that Clemson was having quite a bit of success slanting their dline into our run plays to shut them down. I don’t attribute that to sign stealing or cheating in any way—perhaps we were tipping the direction of the run through formation or pre-snap motion or something. We eventually adjusted and it become less of an issue as the game went on, whether that was a scheme adjustment or the RBs just started looking for the cutback lane right away, or both.

Meyer also brought up an interesting point regarding the signal from the sideline for run plays usually being significantly shorter than the signals for pass plays due to pass plays requiring more information to be communicated—picking up on that would be a huge advantage for the D—knowing run versus pass on every play—and perfectly legal.

So, I am willing to concede there is gray area here. But still, fuck Clemson.
 
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The scrambling before the snap I think was due to Nolan Turner being out and Brent trying to be extra exotic because we couldn't tackle Sermon.

And yea the first TD was all blocking but basically every other play he was making guys miss, running through tackles or dragging guys for extra yards. Even the plays that we got him for short gains or a loss he was making guys miss and falling forward

I don't think this is the nornal big bad Bama defense so I expect Sermon to be just as much of a beast next week

For Clemson can't wait to see what Brent will do next year with minimum 90% of the 2 deep coming back and this crappy taste left in their mouth. Expectations could not be higher for next years D.
So the on field defensive play caller was out for the first half and Venables tried to make the defensive schemes more exotic? I call Occam's Razor on that. That's just too much of a stretch.
 
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The scrambling before the snap I think was due to Nolan Turner being out and Brent trying to be extra exotic because we couldn't tackle Sermon.

And yea the first TD was all blocking but basically every other play he was making guys miss, running through tackles or dragging guys for extra yards. Even the plays that we got him for short gains or a loss he was making guys miss and falling forward

I don't think this is the nornal big bad Bama defense so I expect Sermon to be just as much of a beast next week

For Clemson can't wait to see what Brent will do next year with minimum 90% of the 2 deep coming back and this crappy taste left in their mouth. Expectations could not be higher for next years D.

"Brent" as you call him, eventually lost favor in Oklahoma because his secondary scheme sucks ass.

It will happen in Clemson too. Making excuses for bad planning - he knew Turner would be out for the 1st half - is sugar coating a turd.
 
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"Brent" as you call him, eventually lost favor in Oklahoma because his secondary scheme sucks ass.

It will happen in Clemson too. Making excuses for bad planning - he knew Turner would be out for the 1st half - is sugar coating a turd.
This is from another thread, but Venables D is good with a very obvious weakness that few teams can exploit consistently enough to be an issue for them.

It makes sense that it would be more of an issue in the pass-happy Big 12, though.

And just an aside, the Clemson D is so dominant because 98% of college teams don’t have the WRs or QB to attack them vertically.

But when they run into a team that does have those weapons, (and I’d argue it’s still a good defense, because even elite QBs can be off, sometimes, but when they’re not) well...



 
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