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Reds Tidbits (2012 Season)

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scott91575;2170508; said:
He has been having a heck of a year and Jaxbux has been begging for the Reds to trade for him. Won't happen since the Reds have nothing to trade, but he has definitely been talked about here.
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Shows you how much I pay attention :biggrin:

Either way, while Chapman blew it, Leake shouldn't have been pulled from the game with 86 pitches. It's not like he is going to pitch again before Friday at the earliest.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2170510; said:
Leake shouldn't have been pulled from the game with 86 pitches.
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Closer closes dude.

As far as Heisey goes, well all I've got at this point is that someone has to fucking play CF and leadoff (because CF leads off dude) and Dustys dumb ass hands are tied by the fact he has shit and more shit to choose from.

At this point I hope they don't trade for anyone because they are going to fucking blow it anyway. Losers to the bone.
 
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scott91575;2170508; said:
He has been having a heck of a year and Jaxbux has been begging for the Reds to trade for him. Won't happen since the Reds have nothing to trade, but he has definitely been talked about here.
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I still think Minny is so pitching depleted that the Reds could see which of the Bailey/Leake turds they could best polish add in one of the lower minors arms and work a deal. Chapman goes to rotation to fill the open spot and the bullpen just keeps on going. The money is the part I have no idea on. They won't do it of course but that's just my opinion on what you have to work with.

The bigger problem beyond that is, eventually you need a middle infielder or CF with some OBP skills because someone has to leadoff and in Duhstys world those are the only 3 options. BP definitely isn't the answer, Cozart could possibly be someday but not yet and Heisey/Stubbs well, you might as well run a one arm blind retard out there.

Poor roster construction from Walt has left us with exactly dick in the way of what we need in those area's even if they somehow fell into a legit middle of the order bat in LF. So, even if the fantasy world we all like so much where the Reds might be a major player at the trade deadline were real, I don't think a big LF bat is actually the answer.

You need to un-ass the 40 man roster of deadweight, redundant parts like Stubbs, Heisey and Ludwick to have a consistently competent offensive team and reworking that much of a roster is off season work, not trade deadline stuff.
 
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jlb1705;2170690; said:
LOL @ RedsZone trade gurus. Wasn't he supposed to have won a couple Cy Youngs by now or something?
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The argument was, as I recall it at the time, not that he was going to be great but that a pitching prospect + EE was too much for an old, expensive, frail Rolen on a team with so many other holes in a mraket where prospects had so much value (right or wrong).

Aside from one brief spurt of productivity its pretty much gone down as called. Offensively EE has blossomed but he'll never be anywhere near Rolen with the glove, but then again, he is when Rolen's on the DL and that's pretty much a full time thing.

All in all I can't remember many trades recently working out well for these fucktards. Harang, Masset who else am I forgetting?

If they stand pat we still have guys like EE and Hamilton in this lineup with pretty much the same level of pitching unless I'm missing someone.
 
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Jaxbuck;2170818; said:
All in all I can't remember many trades recently working out well for these fucktards. Harang, Masset who else am I forgetting?
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Willy Tavares & Adam Rosales for Aaron Miles simply because it got Tavares off the field. :lol:

Ass aggravating as he can be, trading for Phillips has worked out, too.
 
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Jaxbuck;2170818; said:
The argument was, as I recall it at the time, not that he was going to be great but that a pitching prospect + EE was too much for an old, expensive, frail Rolen on a team with so many other holes in a mraket where prospects had so much value (right or wrong).

Aside from one brief spurt of productivity its pretty much gone down as called. Offensively EE has blossomed but he'll never be anywhere near Rolen with the glove, but then again, he is when Rolen's on the DL and that's pretty much a full time thing.

All in all I can't remember many trades recently working out well for these fucktards. Harang, Masset who else am I forgetting?

If they stand pat we still have guys like EE and Hamilton in this lineup with pretty much the same level of pitching unless I'm missing someone.
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Stewart was putting up really good numbers in the minors, and there were a lot of people ticked off he was involved in that trade. His ERA was under 2 in 14 combined starts in high A and AA, and an ERA under 1 in AAA as a reliever. There were tons of people high on him.
 
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The problem with not making the trade is that if they stand pat EE5 would never have become a better hitter under Dusty (and probably would have lost playing time to Cairo for not running out fly balls), and the guys would have sucked something awful in 2010 without Rolen.

Hamilton is another issue entirely since he was a clubhouse pariah thanks to Narron going out of his way to babysit him, then Hamilton firing back in SI with his "I think they were just jealous they weren't getting the attention" comment. Either Hamilton or Phillips was going to be gone by 2008.
 
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Jaxbuck;2170818; said:
The argument was, as I recall it at the time, not that he was going to be great but that a pitching prospect + EE was too much for an old, expensive, frail Rolen on a team with so many other holes in a mraket where prospects had so much value (right or wrong).

Aside from one brief spurt of productivity its pretty much gone down as called. Offensively EE has blossomed but he'll never be anywhere near Rolen with the glove, but then again, he is when Rolen's on the DL and that's pretty much a full time thing.

All in all I can't remember many trades recently working out well for these fucktards. Harang, Masset who else am I forgetting?

If they stand pat we still have guys like EE and Hamilton in this lineup with pretty much the same level of pitching unless I'm missing someone.
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I submit that trading for Scott Rolen has been worth it in spite of his broken body and lack of production. At the time, the Reds needed somebody, anybody, who was not a born loser.

Jeff Stevens for Brandon Phillips was a pretty good one. Ryan Freel for Ramon Hernandez was a good one.
 
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