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Yeah I'll you two bucks that Maurice makes the team. If he doesn't its yours, if he does you owe me a million.Sloopy45 said:
Just because you are fast doesn't mean you are a good football player.Sloopy45 said:
Maurice wasn't motivated at OSU???? He started as a freshman. He ripped teammates for not practicing hard enough. After he was suspended, motivation doesn't matter anymore. Geiger was not going to let him back on the team under any circumstances.Sloopy45 said:
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Translation, he can't make the team running 4.65 40. (What he is running NOW)Sloopy45 said:
I said Clarett ran a 4.4. It is on the recruiting board. It also says Ginn ran a 4.45. What do you think Ginn runs?Sloopy45 said:
AS I HAVE SAID COUNTLESS TIMES. 40 times are over rated.
Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. <dummy-1> </dummy-1> Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds.
He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake.
And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol.
Four-point-three-eight seconds.
Then again, maybe Ben Johnson isn't the fastest 40-yard man in the world.
Maybe half the NFL is faster.
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gost8: "Yeah I'll you two bucks that Maurice makes the team. If he doesn't its yours, if he does you owe me a million."
In my first post on this fiasco, I said that Clarett is guaranteed not to be cut.
"Just because you are fast doesn't mean you are a good football player."
I never said anything of the sort.
"Maurice wasn't motivated at OSU????"
No. Just because he played for 5 months and was great doesn't mean jack. He wasn't motivated enough to keep his nose clean. He wasn't motivated enough to keep his mouth shut. He wasn't even motivated enough to show up in shape at his first combine.
Anyone can be motivated for a short period of time. You have to show NFL teams that you are consistently motivated to excel over a period of time. He didn't.
"I said Clarett ran a 4.4. It is on the recruiting board. It also says Ginn ran a 4.45. What do you think Ginn runs?"
I dunno. 4.2?
In my first post on this fiasco, I said that Clarett is guaranteed not to be cut.
"Just because you are fast doesn't mean you are a good football player."
I never said anything of the sort.
"Maurice wasn't motivated at OSU????"
No. Just because he played for 5 months and was great doesn't mean jack. He wasn't motivated enough to keep his nose clean. He wasn't motivated enough to keep his mouth shut. He wasn't even motivated enough to show up in shape at his first combine.
Anyone can be motivated for a short period of time. You have to show NFL teams that you are consistently motivated to excel over a period of time. He didn't.
"I said Clarett ran a 4.4. It is on the recruiting board. It also says Ginn ran a 4.45. What do you think Ginn runs?"
I dunno. 4.2?
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OK then, to answer your first question. Do you think MoC will make the team running a 4.8 40? YESSloopy45 said:
Second, I don't consider this a fiasco. Just two adults having a civil conversation about something they see differently. If you consider it anything else, I apologize.
I agree with you that speed helps a player in certain situations... but disagree with you that the player can't be productive because he lacks the extra 2/10's of a second.
He has excelled in football every year he has played. He showed up in good shape at the combine. Just not the shape condusive to running a fast 40, which he is working on changing now. (and has knocked off almost 2/10's off his 40)Sloopy45 said:
So you think Ginn is faster than Ben Johnson on steroids? Not only faster but over a tenth faster? By your standards Johnson is leaps and bounds slower than Ginn and Ginn would also be the fastest human on Earth.... ever.Sloopy45 said:
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if youre going to use this to discredit a 4.2...you can use it just as easily to discredit whatever Clarett is running now.
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gost8: "OK then, to answer your first question. Do you think MoC will make the team running a 4.8 40? YES"
Dude, he's a 3rd Round Pick! No team is going to admit a mistake this early and cut a 3rd Round Pick!! Have you been even remotely understanding the gist of my post in the first place??
Did the Giants cut Ron Dayne when they got him into camp and realized that he ain't shit?? You completely missed my point. Its like talking to a brick wall. Conversation over.
"but disagree with you that the player can't be productive because he lacks the extra 2/10's of a second."
Again. You're either not reading my posts or you're unable to understand my point. A player can be productive (like Emmitt Smith) at a 4.8 speed. HOWEVER, it is more LIKELY that a player with a 4.5 speed will make an NFL roster and be productive than a player that runs a 4.8. Repeat: IT IS MORE LIKELY!!! MUCH MORE LIKELY!! Do you understand???
It is the exception that a 4.8 player (like Smith or Priest Holmes) becomes a great TB, not the rule.
"He has excelled in football every year he has played. He showed up in good shape at the combine."
You obviously haven't followed the situation at all. At his FIRST combine (last year, not this year) he showed up miserably out of shape, 25 pounds heavier, with love handles and a pot belly.
"So you think Ginn is faster than Ben Johnson on steroids? Not only faster but over a tenth faster?"
Dude, its a different standard of measure. 40 times are NFL/college/HS football speak. Your mention of Ben Johnson is pointless. You can't compare a track star's times with what is measured at a football camp/combine. I don't give a shit (and don't know) what each individual's ACTUAL 40 times are. I know what's reported, and what I see.
And this is relevant to nothing in the conversation. Who cares about Ben Johnson? You're trying to discredit NFL 40 times. Ok, done. Next post, write me a paper on how the NBA lists players as taller than they actually are.
Dude, he's a 3rd Round Pick! No team is going to admit a mistake this early and cut a 3rd Round Pick!! Have you been even remotely understanding the gist of my post in the first place??
Did the Giants cut Ron Dayne when they got him into camp and realized that he ain't shit?? You completely missed my point. Its like talking to a brick wall. Conversation over.
"but disagree with you that the player can't be productive because he lacks the extra 2/10's of a second."
Again. You're either not reading my posts or you're unable to understand my point. A player can be productive (like Emmitt Smith) at a 4.8 speed. HOWEVER, it is more LIKELY that a player with a 4.5 speed will make an NFL roster and be productive than a player that runs a 4.8. Repeat: IT IS MORE LIKELY!!! MUCH MORE LIKELY!! Do you understand???
It is the exception that a 4.8 player (like Smith or Priest Holmes) becomes a great TB, not the rule.
"He has excelled in football every year he has played. He showed up in good shape at the combine."
You obviously haven't followed the situation at all. At his FIRST combine (last year, not this year) he showed up miserably out of shape, 25 pounds heavier, with love handles and a pot belly.
"So you think Ginn is faster than Ben Johnson on steroids? Not only faster but over a tenth faster?"
Dude, its a different standard of measure. 40 times are NFL/college/HS football speak. Your mention of Ben Johnson is pointless. You can't compare a track star's times with what is measured at a football camp/combine. I don't give a shit (and don't know) what each individual's ACTUAL 40 times are. I know what's reported, and what I see.
And this is relevant to nothing in the conversation. Who cares about Ben Johnson? You're trying to discredit NFL 40 times. Ok, done. Next post, write me a paper on how the NBA lists players as taller than they actually are.
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THIS IS THE POST I HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO THIS WHOLE THREAD!!!! CAN YOU READ????
As for the rest of your dribble, it amounts to this....
The Broncos made a huge mistake drafting MoC in the third round because now they CAN NOT cut him if he doesn't pan out (which he will not because he ran a 4.8 40), because of the shear humiliation they will suffer.
They also are paying him too much, thereby destroying his motivation to succeed. Every other RB that has ran a 40 slower than 4.5 and produced in the NFL is an exception to my "rule." Here I will give you a hand full of other backs I can remember that were not very successful (according to you, only because they weren't fast enough) to prove my point that Maurice won't be. Another. If they would have drafted him in the sixth or seventh round and gave him league minimum, he would have had so much more motivation to try harder.Third and biggest (Oh wait, Parcells was going to pick him up in the 4th so Denver would not have even got him.)
As for how he is doing....
"He's got a big head," tight end Jeb Putzier said.
On the surface, inflammatory remarks. But Putzier motioned his hands as he spoke those words, clearly referring to the physical size of Clarett's cranium rather than any ego-related issues.
Truth be told, what Putzier did see of the Broncos' only first-day offensive draftee impressed him.
"He was running by me today and he was working hard and that's all you can look at right now is to make sure they're working hard for our team," Putzier said. "He looks like he's ready to work."
The arrival of Clarett was topic A in a media room that saw ESPN and NFL Network crews join the usual assortment of local media outlets present for the day's activities.
But in the locker room, it wasn't a big deal.
"I think it's more a curiosity factor with the fans," cornerback Lenny Walls said. "I don't think the players or teammates go as far as the media and the fans may go. I have people already asking me, 'What's up with Clarett?' I'm like, 'He's not even here yet! Let him show up and practice a little bit.'"
The main issue for Clarett -- who was not available for comment Monday -- was getting back on the field after over two years away. A suspension in the 2003 season kept him off the practice field, and he sat out all of 2004 while in the limbo that accompanied his eventually rebuffed legal challenge to the draft's early-entry system.
In the two years and three months since the Fiesta Bowl, Clarett's work was limited to individual workouts, so Head Coach Mike Shanahan knows that it might take a while for the rookie to round into shape.
"I think it takes a little bit more time," Shanahan said. "Anytime a guy hasn't been on the field for a couple of years, there's a little transition time."
But that being said, he was pleased with Clarett's performance in the first day.
"Watching him today, it looked like things came very natural for him," Shanahan said. "He's got excellent hands, and it was a good first day for him.
"He'll be in shape by the time we start camp, and he could be in very good shape right now," Shanahan added. "He looked pretty good out there today."
And if Walls' perspective is any indicator of the entire locker room's mood, Clarett's NFL transition will be smooth inside that environment, as well.
"I'm going to treat him like any other rookie. Hopefully he can help this team. That's the bottom line," Walls said. "I'm just going to welcome him in. ... Even off the field I'm one of the coolest guys on this team; everybody knows that."
SOUNDS UNMOTIVATED TO ME.
Meaning? You don't think he can make the team at 4.8. I don't know how else you can take that post. Well I guess maybe he thought he couldn't make it at that speed either because he has recently run in the 4.6 range. Look it up.Sloopy45 said:
He didn't participate in the 2004 combine. It didn't matter if he ran a 4.1 or 5.1 in 2004 because he couldn't play anywhere regardless. He was in shape for the combine before the draft he was eligible for.Sloopy45 said:
MoC is at 4.6 range.... not 4.8... Do you understand??? By that start of the season he will likely, much more likely to be even faster. Can you comprehend this???Sloopy45 said:
As for the rest of your dribble, it amounts to this....
The Broncos made a huge mistake drafting MoC in the third round because now they CAN NOT cut him if he doesn't pan out (which he will not because he ran a 4.8 40), because of the shear humiliation they will suffer.
They also are paying him too much, thereby destroying his motivation to succeed. Every other RB that has ran a 40 slower than 4.5 and produced in the NFL is an exception to my "rule." Here I will give you a hand full of other backs I can remember that were not very successful (according to you, only because they weren't fast enough) to prove my point that Maurice won't be. Another. If they would have drafted him in the sixth or seventh round and gave him league minimum, he would have had so much more motivation to try harder.Third and biggest (Oh wait, Parcells was going to pick him up in the 4th so Denver would not have even got him.)As for how he is doing....
"He's got a big head," tight end Jeb Putzier said.
On the surface, inflammatory remarks. But Putzier motioned his hands as he spoke those words, clearly referring to the physical size of Clarett's cranium rather than any ego-related issues.
Truth be told, what Putzier did see of the Broncos' only first-day offensive draftee impressed him.
"He was running by me today and he was working hard and that's all you can look at right now is to make sure they're working hard for our team," Putzier said. "He looks like he's ready to work."
The arrival of Clarett was topic A in a media room that saw ESPN and NFL Network crews join the usual assortment of local media outlets present for the day's activities.
But in the locker room, it wasn't a big deal.
"I think it's more a curiosity factor with the fans," cornerback Lenny Walls said. "I don't think the players or teammates go as far as the media and the fans may go. I have people already asking me, 'What's up with Clarett?' I'm like, 'He's not even here yet! Let him show up and practice a little bit.'"
The main issue for Clarett -- who was not available for comment Monday -- was getting back on the field after over two years away. A suspension in the 2003 season kept him off the practice field, and he sat out all of 2004 while in the limbo that accompanied his eventually rebuffed legal challenge to the draft's early-entry system.
In the two years and three months since the Fiesta Bowl, Clarett's work was limited to individual workouts, so Head Coach Mike Shanahan knows that it might take a while for the rookie to round into shape.
"I think it takes a little bit more time," Shanahan said. "Anytime a guy hasn't been on the field for a couple of years, there's a little transition time."
But that being said, he was pleased with Clarett's performance in the first day.
"Watching him today, it looked like things came very natural for him," Shanahan said. "He's got excellent hands, and it was a good first day for him.
"He'll be in shape by the time we start camp, and he could be in very good shape right now," Shanahan added. "He looked pretty good out there today."
And if Walls' perspective is any indicator of the entire locker room's mood, Clarett's NFL transition will be smooth inside that environment, as well.
"I'm going to treat him like any other rookie. Hopefully he can help this team. That's the bottom line," Walls said. "I'm just going to welcome him in. ... Even off the field I'm one of the coolest guys on this team; everybody knows that."
SOUNDS UNMOTIVATED TO ME.
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gost8: "Meaning? You don't think he can make the team at 4.8."
I've said this 100 times. Now 101. Even if he doesn't make the team, HE WON'T GET CUT. They'll send him to NFL Europe for a couple years, give him the money, and coddle him some more.
And, if he does indeed run a 4.8 (which he did at the combine), HE WILL NOT MAKE THE BRONCOS. He will be playing for the Euro-Trash Snapdragons, or whatever team it is. But, you tell me he's running a 4.6, so I believe you.
REPEAT: IF YOU TELL ME HE'S RUNNING A 4.6, I BELIEVE YOU!! BUT HE RAN A 4.8 to a 5.1 AT THE COMBINE!! HE WALKED OUT OF THE COMBINE B/C HIS PERFORMANCE WAS SO POOR!!
I love how you're completely disregarding any Combine performance this kid has had, any transgression this kid has had, and purely focusing on the few positives he's had in his career.
Did he play during his last two years of eligibility? Did he have a stellar workout at the combines? What are the answers to these questions?
"He didn't participate in the 2004 combine. It didn't matter if he ran a 4.1 or 5.1 in 2004 because he couldn't play anywhere regardless. He was in shape for the combine before the draft he was eligible for."
He sure as damn well showed up at the '04 Combine! You don't know your "facts" .. this was before his Draft Eligibility was overturned in the courts. He had very poor pre-draft interviews and couldn't complete the work outs, so he walked out prematurely. For the first of 2 times, I might add.
Dude, I'm gonna buy you Hooked on Phonics so you can learn to read:
"The Broncos made a huge mistake drafting MoC in the third round because now they CAN NOT cut him if he doesn't pan out "
The Broncos CAN cut him, but they won't.
"(which he will not because he ran a 4.8 40)"
DUMMY! (Its like Fred Sanford talking to Lamont): Did he, or did he not run a 4.8 at the Combine? Yes or No. Answer that, please.
"SOUNDS UNMOTIVATED TO ME."
Okay, you're right. Maurice is a great guy. He didn't try to rat out the Program. He's been in shape and a model citzen for the past 3 years. He didn't throw away possibly 2 Heismans. He is the fastest running back on this earth, and if he works hard enough (as he ALWAYS has been all about working hard), he can reduce his 40 time to a 4.2 and be faster than Ben Johnson and Ted Ginn.
Can someone please send me the Magic Maurice Elixir that drops your 40 time? I figure it this way: if I drink enough of it, I can drop my 40 time to a 3.9 and then work out for an NFL team.
I'm just confused as to why every NFL player doesn't drink the Maurice Elixir to drop their 40 times as well.
I've said this 100 times. Now 101. Even if he doesn't make the team, HE WON'T GET CUT. They'll send him to NFL Europe for a couple years, give him the money, and coddle him some more.
And, if he does indeed run a 4.8 (which he did at the combine), HE WILL NOT MAKE THE BRONCOS. He will be playing for the Euro-Trash Snapdragons, or whatever team it is. But, you tell me he's running a 4.6, so I believe you.
REPEAT: IF YOU TELL ME HE'S RUNNING A 4.6, I BELIEVE YOU!! BUT HE RAN A 4.8 to a 5.1 AT THE COMBINE!! HE WALKED OUT OF THE COMBINE B/C HIS PERFORMANCE WAS SO POOR!!
I love how you're completely disregarding any Combine performance this kid has had, any transgression this kid has had, and purely focusing on the few positives he's had in his career.
Did he play during his last two years of eligibility? Did he have a stellar workout at the combines? What are the answers to these questions?
"He didn't participate in the 2004 combine. It didn't matter if he ran a 4.1 or 5.1 in 2004 because he couldn't play anywhere regardless. He was in shape for the combine before the draft he was eligible for."
He sure as damn well showed up at the '04 Combine! You don't know your "facts" .. this was before his Draft Eligibility was overturned in the courts. He had very poor pre-draft interviews and couldn't complete the work outs, so he walked out prematurely. For the first of 2 times, I might add.
Dude, I'm gonna buy you Hooked on Phonics so you can learn to read:
"The Broncos made a huge mistake drafting MoC in the third round because now they CAN NOT cut him if he doesn't pan out "
The Broncos CAN cut him, but they won't.
"(which he will not because he ran a 4.8 40)"
DUMMY! (Its like Fred Sanford talking to Lamont): Did he, or did he not run a 4.8 at the Combine? Yes or No. Answer that, please.
"SOUNDS UNMOTIVATED TO ME."
Okay, you're right. Maurice is a great guy. He didn't try to rat out the Program. He's been in shape and a model citzen for the past 3 years. He didn't throw away possibly 2 Heismans. He is the fastest running back on this earth, and if he works hard enough (as he ALWAYS has been all about working hard), he can reduce his 40 time to a 4.2 and be faster than Ben Johnson and Ted Ginn.
Can someone please send me the Magic Maurice Elixir that drops your 40 time? I figure it this way: if I drink enough of it, I can drop my 40 time to a 3.9 and then work out for an NFL team.
I'm just confused as to why every NFL player doesn't drink the Maurice Elixir to drop their 40 times as well.
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Yes he ran a 4.82 and a 4.72 in the 40 at the combine. Using your famous comeback....point?!?!
Are the Broncos gonna cut him or ship him to Europe for what he ran in the combine or what he does in practice? Answer that. I can tell you this much, Shanahan isn't making him run 40s everyday to make sure his time is increasing. The Broncos could not possibly care less what he did at the combine. All the combine is for is to try to get your draft board set up. Not whether you keep a player or not. REPEAT: What he did at the combine, this year or last year... does not matter to anyone but you. I never said he was a standup guy or I approve of his actions at OSU. The fact is that, today no-one on the Broncos coaching staff cares about that either. What matters to them is what he does in practice and in the preseason. If he doesn't impress the Broncos they will cut his ass faster than you can say "point!?!?" Therefore no roster spot, no millions. They knew it was a gamble when they picked him. If he doesn't work out he isn't going to Europe he isn't gonna get coddled. They have plenty of other backs. (Including, ironically, Ron Dayne.) Maybe Ron and Maurice will play together in Europe?
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This a list of ALL the runningbacks in the NFL Europe league. [sarcasm font on] As you can see it is a veritable smorgasbord of the players you have mentioned. "(Ron Dayne, Rashann Salaam, Anthony Thomas, etc.)" Duh, It is obvious that you are right in assuming that if Maurice doesn't shape up and since the Broncos can't and won't cut him, this is where he will end up. This is because every back that gets drafted early and doesn't meet expectations goes to Europe. Yes, all but one or two of these guys were expected to be all-pro backs their first year out but disappointed their perspective teams. Not wanting to cut them, they were sent here to be paid millions while having their unmotivated asses coddled.[font off]
So if they won't cut him and won't send him to Europe.... what are they gonna do? Arena league?
Are the Broncos gonna cut him or ship him to Europe for what he ran in the combine or what he does in practice? Answer that. I can tell you this much, Shanahan isn't making him run 40s everyday to make sure his time is increasing. The Broncos could not possibly care less what he did at the combine. All the combine is for is to try to get your draft board set up. Not whether you keep a player or not. REPEAT: What he did at the combine, this year or last year... does not matter to anyone but you. I never said he was a standup guy or I approve of his actions at OSU. The fact is that, today no-one on the Broncos coaching staff cares about that either. What matters to them is what he does in practice and in the preseason. If he doesn't impress the Broncos they will cut his ass faster than you can say "point!?!?" Therefore no roster spot, no millions. They knew it was a gamble when they picked him. If he doesn't work out he isn't going to Europe he isn't gonna get coddled. They have plenty of other backs. (Including, ironically, Ron Dayne.) Maybe Ron and Maurice will play together in Europe?
Jonathon Smith
Sandino Octobre
Jarrett Payton
Kory Chapman
Keylon Kinkade
Loliki Bongo-Wanga
Marceline Laurent
Dahrran Diedrick
Joe Smith
Brandon Miree
Ahmaad Galloway
J.R. Niklos
Martin Ladka
Zack Abron
Larry Croom
Patrick Wischnewski
Adam Matthews
Cal Murray
Little John Flowers
Neil Baxtor
This a list of ALL the runningbacks in the NFL Europe league. [sarcasm font on] As you can see it is a veritable smorgasbord of the players you have mentioned. "(Ron Dayne, Rashann Salaam, Anthony Thomas, etc.)" Duh, It is obvious that you are right in assuming that if Maurice doesn't shape up and since the Broncos can't and won't cut him, this is where he will end up. This is because every back that gets drafted early and doesn't meet expectations goes to Europe. Yes, all but one or two of these guys were expected to be all-pro backs their first year out but disappointed their perspective teams. Not wanting to cut them, they were sent here to be paid millions while having their unmotivated asses coddled.[font off]
So if they won't cut him and won't send him to Europe.... what are they gonna do? Arena league?
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gost8: "This a list of ALL the runningbacks in the NFL Europe league."
Yeah, okay. You made my point for me. All those guys are college RBs who were too small, or too slow (4.8) for the NFL. Thanks for the research.
"As you can see it is a veritable smorgasbord of the players you have mentioned. "(Ron Dayne, Rashann Salaam, Anthony Thomas, etc.)"
Hate to break it to you, but Salaam is out of the NFL, and your boys Thomas & Dayne gained 404 and 179 yards, respectively last year. Your point here? So Maurice can make the Broncos and gain somewhere between the world beating totals of 179 and 404 yards, or he can go to NFL Europe and play with the other college backs who didn't make it.
"So if they won't cut him and won't send him to Europe.... what are they gonna do? Arena league?"
I never said they wouldn't send him to Europe. Do you realize that this kid hasn't touched a football in 29 months? Has that occured to you yet?? He hasn't been hit by a college player in that time, much less an NFL Linebacker. Any of this registering?
Yeah, okay. You made my point for me. All those guys are college RBs who were too small, or too slow (4.8) for the NFL. Thanks for the research.
"As you can see it is a veritable smorgasbord of the players you have mentioned. "(Ron Dayne, Rashann Salaam, Anthony Thomas, etc.)"
Hate to break it to you, but Salaam is out of the NFL, and your boys Thomas & Dayne gained 404 and 179 yards, respectively last year. Your point here? So Maurice can make the Broncos and gain somewhere between the world beating totals of 179 and 404 yards, or he can go to NFL Europe and play with the other college backs who didn't make it.
"So if they won't cut him and won't send him to Europe.... what are they gonna do? Arena league?"
I never said they wouldn't send him to Europe. Do you realize that this kid hasn't touched a football in 29 months? Has that occured to you yet?? He hasn't been hit by a college player in that time, much less an NFL Linebacker. Any of this registering?
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"Yeah, okay. You made my point for me. All those guys are college RBs who were too small, or too slow (4.8) for the NFL. Thanks for the research."
Made your point for you?!?!? Your probably stupid enough to believe that. I'll bet you have never heard of all but 2 or 3 of these guys. Besides maybe Payton, MoC is way out of any of these guy's league. Had you ever heard of Clarett before he came to OSU? I really have to believe you hadn't.
"Hate to break it to you, but Salaam is out of the NFL, and your boys Thomas & Dayne gained 404 and 179 yards, respectively last year."
No shit Sherlock, that ain't in Europe either. You act like Europe is some kind of farm league. 99% of the guys over there will never play in the NFL.
"I never said they wouldn't send him to Europe."
I said they won't send him to Europe... if he sucks, they will cut him. Better get your Hooked on Phonics back out and review.
"Do you realize that this kid hasn't touched a football in 29 months? Has that occured to you yet?? He hasn't been hit by a college player in that time, much less an NFL Linebacker. "
He is getting hit by them as we speak. Obviously the words in the article I posted were too big for you. Maybe this will help...
Shanahan (Denver's head coach) said he (Clarett) is doing very good. We (the Bronco's Organization) think he (Clarett again, Hope I didn't lose you) is in great shape (not fat) and will be in even better shape (He (Clarett) is getting better)when the season rolls around. (He (Clarett) is working hard) (Goes to motivation)
Made your point for you?!?!? Your probably stupid enough to believe that. I'll bet you have never heard of all but 2 or 3 of these guys. Besides maybe Payton, MoC is way out of any of these guy's league. Had you ever heard of Clarett before he came to OSU? I really have to believe you hadn't.
"Hate to break it to you, but Salaam is out of the NFL, and your boys Thomas & Dayne gained 404 and 179 yards, respectively last year."
No shit Sherlock, that ain't in Europe either. You act like Europe is some kind of farm league. 99% of the guys over there will never play in the NFL.
"I never said they wouldn't send him to Europe."
I said they won't send him to Europe... if he sucks, they will cut him. Better get your Hooked on Phonics back out and review.
"Do you realize that this kid hasn't touched a football in 29 months? Has that occured to you yet?? He hasn't been hit by a college player in that time, much less an NFL Linebacker. "
He is getting hit by them as we speak. Obviously the words in the article I posted were too big for you. Maybe this will help...
Shanahan (Denver's head coach) said he (Clarett) is doing very good. We (the Bronco's Organization) think he (Clarett again, Hope I didn't lose you) is in great shape (not fat) and will be in even better shape (He (Clarett) is getting better)when the season rolls around. (He (Clarett) is working hard) (Goes to motivation)
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tibor75
Banned
Sloopy45 shows new levels of stupidty in this thread. It's hard to pinpoint the dumbest thing he said, but ya gotta love his notion that Clarett won't be motivated because "he has a million dollars in his pocket"
Last year the Ravens selected Devard Darling in the 3rd round. His contract?
"Devard was given a three year $1.4 million deal. In addition to the date being synonymous with Devaughn's death date, Darling said that the details of the deal were right up their alley. "
So, MoC will basically sign a contract that will maybe pay him about 700,000 dollars his first year with NO guarentees after that. A lot different than the lifetime of riches as described by Dumbfuck45.
Last year the Ravens selected Devard Darling in the 3rd round. His contract?
"Devard was given a three year $1.4 million deal. In addition to the date being synonymous with Devaughn's death date, Darling said that the details of the deal were right up their alley. "
So, MoC will basically sign a contract that will maybe pay him about 700,000 dollars his first year with NO guarentees after that. A lot different than the lifetime of riches as described by Dumbfuck45.
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
gost8: "Besides maybe Payton, MoC is way out of any of these guy's league."
Clarett is way out of Payton's league, too. Dude, equate NFL Europe to a rehab start in Minor League Baseball. You can list the entire roster of the Columbus Clippers, and the only name you'd know is Hidecki Irabu, or Darryl Strawberry on a brief stint there.
What point was made by you listing all the RB's? That NFL Europe is a Minor League with mostly no-names? Check. That there are currently no big name ex-College RB's playing in NFL Europe? Check. Go get the names of the QB's. Go see how many ex-big names are there, sent by the big club in the NFL.
"Had you ever heard of Clarett before he came to OSU? I really have to believe you hadn't."
Point here? I never heard of Ted Ginn before his days in HS too. Never heard of Tressel before Youngstown State, either. Should I have been keeping track of MoC from birth all the way through Warren Harding?
Why don't you give me all the vitals: the day he lost his virginity, the day he passed his driver's test, the day he took his first hand-out from a booster, etc. I want all the details.
T-Bone: "A lot different than the lifetime of riches as described by Dumbfuck45."
Remember, the Jedi Mind-Trick only works on the weak minded. I'm sure you got this guy all riled-up, tho'.
Clarett is way out of Payton's league, too. Dude, equate NFL Europe to a rehab start in Minor League Baseball. You can list the entire roster of the Columbus Clippers, and the only name you'd know is Hidecki Irabu, or Darryl Strawberry on a brief stint there.
What point was made by you listing all the RB's? That NFL Europe is a Minor League with mostly no-names? Check. That there are currently no big name ex-College RB's playing in NFL Europe? Check. Go get the names of the QB's. Go see how many ex-big names are there, sent by the big club in the NFL.
"Had you ever heard of Clarett before he came to OSU? I really have to believe you hadn't."
Point here? I never heard of Ted Ginn before his days in HS too. Never heard of Tressel before Youngstown State, either. Should I have been keeping track of MoC from birth all the way through Warren Harding?
Why don't you give me all the vitals: the day he lost his virginity, the day he passed his driver's test, the day he took his first hand-out from a booster, etc. I want all the details.
T-Bone: "A lot different than the lifetime of riches as described by Dumbfuck45."
Remember, the Jedi Mind-Trick only works on the weak minded. I'm sure you got this guy all riled-up, tho'.
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Wow I just got done reading some of your posts on other topics. No wonder I can't get through to you.... you are an idiot on almost every thread you have posted on. I don't know if I like Tibor agreeing with me or not, but he makes a good point as far as the Broncos having there bases covered as far as how much money they give MoC. Or do you think Maurice will hold out until he is getting a million a year. 
Why would Tibor get me all riled up, calling you a dumbfuck? (A statement I agree with)
I give up... MoC sucks and has no chance at a career in the NFL. You know more than the Bronco's organization knows about him. Go back and read your first post in this thread and then listen to how stupid you sound.
"The only way Clarett would have a chance to make it is if he was drafted after the 6th round. He won't try because since he was drafted so early Denver will have to give him millions. Then when he flops they will send him to Europe and continue to pay him millions."
Send him to Europe and pay him millions?
BRILLIANT !!!
Why would Tibor get me all riled up, calling you a dumbfuck? (A statement I agree with)I give up... MoC sucks and has no chance at a career in the NFL. You know more than the Bronco's organization knows about him. Go back and read your first post in this thread and then listen to how stupid you sound.
"The only way Clarett would have a chance to make it is if he was drafted after the 6th round. He won't try because since he was drafted so early Denver will have to give him millions. Then when he flops they will send him to Europe and continue to pay him millions."
BRILLIANT !!!
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
gost8: "Wow I just got done reading some of your posts on other topics."
Thanks. Always nice to have a fan.
"Or do you think Maurice will hold out until he is getting a million a year."
Original Sloopy Post (copy): "You gave the kid a (probable) million dollar deal over the life of the contract"
Darling got $1.4 OVER THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT. Lets see, you got roped in by Tibbs AND you need Hooked on Phonics.
"Why would Tibor get me all riled up, calling you a dumbfuck? (A statement I agree with)"
THINK: Why would Tibor do anything he does? Why would tibor create multiple aliases just to piss people off?
"The only way Clarett would have a chance to make it is if he was drafted after the 6th round. He won't try because since he was drafted so early Denver will have to give him millions. Then when he flops they will send him to Europe and continue to pay him millions."
Never said anything of this sort. I said that IN MY OPINION, its stupid to draft this kid this high and give him that money. You're just to stupid to process anything I've said so you draw this conculsion.
Thanks. Always nice to have a fan.
"Or do you think Maurice will hold out until he is getting a million a year."
Original Sloopy Post (copy): "You gave the kid a (probable) million dollar deal over the life of the contract"
Darling got $1.4 OVER THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT. Lets see, you got roped in by Tibbs AND you need Hooked on Phonics.
"Why would Tibor get me all riled up, calling you a dumbfuck? (A statement I agree with)"
THINK: Why would Tibor do anything he does? Why would tibor create multiple aliases just to piss people off?
"The only way Clarett would have a chance to make it is if he was drafted after the 6th round. He won't try because since he was drafted so early Denver will have to give him millions. Then when he flops they will send him to Europe and continue to pay him millions."
Never said anything of this sort. I said that IN MY OPINION, its stupid to draft this kid this high and give him that money. You're just to stupid to process anything I've said so you draw this conculsion.
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