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Sloopy45

Sloopy45

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I think the worst thing that could've happened to Clarett was that he got drafted in the 3rd Round.

The only way Clarett would shape up was as a 5th, 6th, 7th Round Selection or as a Free Agent in mini-camp working to make the team. Its the only thing that would've forced him to mature, get his life straightened out, & abandon the sense of entitlement that led to his downfall.

And now? The Broncos enabled the kid the way a drug dealer would enable a crack addict. You gave the kid a (probable) million dollar deal over the life of the contract, and basically guaranteed him a roster spot. Lets face it: even if he doesn't make the team this season, no team is flat-out cutting a 3rd Round Draft Pick. They'll send him to NFL Europe, coddle him some more, and only intensify his sense of entitlement.

He could've been a steal if the teams allowed him to drop into the latter rounds & they'd get a very hungry player in mini-camp. And now? They got a kid with no motivation to excel whatsoever with a million bucks in his pocket. What a shame.
 
Sloopy45 said:
I think the worst thing that could've happened to Clarett was that he got drafted in the 3rd Round.

The only way Clarett would shape up was as a 5th, 6th, 7th Round Selection or as a Free Agent in mini-camp working to make the team. Its the only thing that would've forced him to mature, get his life straightened out, & abandon the sense of entitlement that led to his downfall.

And now? The Broncos enabled the kid the way a drug dealer would enable a crack addict. You gave the kid a (probable) million dollar deal over the life of the contract, and basically guaranteed him a roster spot. Lets face it: even if he doesn't make the team this season, no team is flat-out cutting a 3rd Round Draft Pick. They'll send him to NFL Europe, coddle him some more, and only intensify his sense of entitlement.

He could've been a steal if the teams allowed him to drop into the latter rounds & they'd get a very hungry player in mini-camp. And now? They got a kid with no motivation to excel whatsoever with a million bucks in his pocket. What a shame.
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Wow, haven't even seen him practice yet and already labelling him as having no motivation? I think his motivation will be to prove he belongs in the NFL and was a steal in the third round, not to make more money down the road. MoC is very hungry now. He hasn't played in 2 years and now must prove that that hasn't taken its toll on him. I guess we will all see come next season. Trust me, we haven't heard the last of Maurice. I am just glad he didn't get picked by a local team like the Browns or Bengals. We would still hear about him daily in that case.
 
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gost8: "Wow, haven't even seen him practice yet and already labelling him as having no motivation?"

It doesn't matter if I've seen him practice. He's a TB who ran a 4.8 at the Combine. You really think he can make the team at that speed?

"MoC is very hungry now."

Where do you come to this conclusion? Shouldn't he have been hungry to play football as a Sophomore? As a Junior? To show up in shape at his first Combine?

I don't think its reasonable for anybody to draw positive conclusions about this kid's mental state at this point. Right now, its Guilty until proven Innocent.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
gost8: "Wow, haven't even seen him practice yet and already labelling him as having no motivation?"

It doesn't matter if I've seen him practice. He's a TB who ran a 4.8 at the Combine. You really think he can make the team at that speed?
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Emmitt Smith ran a 4.7 at his combine.... he made the team. I think he set a few records too. People put too much stock in 40 speed. Watch a track meet or a drag race sometime and watch a guy that runs one tenth of a second faster than the next guy. It looks like a tie. He has got great vision and he can break tackles because he is very strong. I think the only thing that will hamper him is if he continues to get injured every year.

bucknuts44820 said:
The football program has been blasted by everyone in the media and I am still waiting on the ESPN outside the lines segment on how MOC fooled ESPN and the national media into running a series of stories that obviously now, had no truth in them.
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I would love to see that too.... I am not holding my breath though.
 
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gost8: "Emmitt Smith ran a 4.7 at his combine.... he made the team. He set a few records too, I think."

For every Emmitt Smith who ran a 4.7 at the combine, I can give you 1,000,000 other 4.7 guys who didn't make the NFL. By that same rationale, that makes Clarett's chances a million to one.

Emmitt Smith was one guy. A special football player. Not every one is Emmitt Smith. In fact, 'everyone' is more likely to be someone less talented who doesn't cut it in the Pros.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
gost8: "Emmitt Smith ran a 4.7 at his combine.... he made the team. He set a few records too, I think."

For every Emmitt Smith who ran a 4.7 at the combine, I can give you 1,000,000 other 4.7 guys who didn't make the NFL. By that same rationale, that makes Clarett's chances a million to one.

Emmitt Smith was one guy. A special football player. Not every one is Emmitt Smith. In fact, 'everyone' is more likely to be someone less talented who doesn't cut it in the Pros.
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Priest Holmes also ran a 4.7 and went undrafted. For the rest of your million man example I can match another shitload of guys that ran 4.4's and 4.5's, and didn't make it. As much as I hate what he's done to tOSU, I can't ignore the fact that he had great field vision, probably still does. He's got power, vision, and balance. In case you don't remember him bitching early on in his freshman year about the team not practicing hard enough. Not having enough intensity in practices. Mo will work hard. He was out of shape the first time, but that was probably due to his court and NCAA involvement cutting into training more than anything else.

I will root against Mo until he shows that he's not a complete and total jackass. But to say the guy is terrible , because he fucked you over, is a revisionist way of looking at things.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
For every Emmitt Smith who ran a 4.7 at the combine, I can give you 1,000,000 other 4.7 guys who didn't make the NFL. By that same rationale, that makes Clarett's chances a million to one.
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If you are giving million to one odds on whether he makes the team this year, I'll take that bet. :biggrin: Depending on who you ask MoC is down in the mid 4.6 range now. Not that it means he's a better back.

For every 4.7 guy that doesn't make it in the NFL, I can give you a 4.5 guy that doesn't make it either. Come on, we are talk two tenths of a second here.... at the RB position to boot. WR or DB I can almost see debating over a 40 time. I just think it is ridiculous to scout a guy for two years and when he gets to the combine... he runs a 4.72 instead of a 4.5, everyone says he has lost stock. I can't ever remember thinking to myself, "Damn it, if that guy was two tenths of a second faster he would have scored."

Listen, Sloopy. I am not saying Maurice is going to do great and I am not saying he is going to be a washup either. My point is simply this.... If you want to question Maurice's work ethic ask any of his former teammates. He is a stud in the gym. Maurice's greatest asset has never been break away speed. Not many RBs in the NFL are the fastest guy on the team and there is always a DB on the opposing defense that can catch you. If MoC can hit the hole and break some tackles he will be just fine. Just so happens those are his strongest assets.
 
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IronBuckI & gost8: "Priest Holmes also ran a 4.7 and went undrafted."

Okay, Mo's chances have been upgraded to 500,000 to 1.

"I can match another shitload of guys that ran 4.4's and 4.5's, and didn't make it."

So you're telling me there's no diff between a 4.4 TB and a 4.8 TB? Why do they run at the combines then?

Regardless, my point remains: YOUR CHANCES OF MAKING THE NFL ARE GREATER IF YOU RUN A 4.4 AS OPPOSED TO A 4.8. Period.

"I can't ever remember thinking to myself, "Damn it, if that guy was two tenths of a second faster he would have scored."

There's more to football than touchdowns. The hole on the OL closes within tenths of a second. You avoid 4.5 Linebackers by tenths of a second. The difference between a 4.8 and a 4.5 might be a loss or a 5 yard gain.

"But to say the guy is terrible , because he fucked you over, is a revisionist way of looking at things."

a.) I never said Maurice was terrible
b.) He never f***ed me over. He won me a National Championship, what more can I ask for?

In fact, I think because of all of his transgressions, people have forgotten how great a RB he WAS. I emphasize was because he hasn't played football in 2 years. I thought he looked faster than a 4.8 in '02, but I don't know what shape he's been in, or what he's done to his body in the 2 years since. All I know is, RIGHT NOW he runs a 4.8.
 
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First, Sloopy is right guys.

Second, just heard dan patrick say they will be talking with herbie about the MoC crap, what role espin played in giving him a platform to "lash out at Ohio State", and whether espin owes Ohio State an apology. It's not a lot, but they are at least addressing it with one of their media outlets. And a trend I have noticed in the past is that they test out their segments on the radio, then transition them over to TV in the form of "Fact or Fiction" or a 90 second spot on PTI.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
Okay, Mo's chances have been upgraded to 500,000 to 1.
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I will still take those odds

Sloopy45 said:
So you're telling me there's no diff between a 4.4 TB and a 4.8 TB? Why do they run at the combines then?
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There is a difference between a track guy that plays football and a football player that happens to also run track.

Sloopy45 said:
Regardless, my point remains: YOUR CHANCES OF MAKING THE NFL ARE GREATER IF YOU RUN A 4.4 AS OPPOSED TO A 4.8. Period.
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Your point was that MoC has no motivation do do well in the NFL, because he was drafted too early and paid too much. You can be fast and still be a shitty RB.

Sloopy45 said:
There's more to football than touchdowns. The hole on the OL closes within tenths of a second. You avoid 4.5 Linebackers by tenths of a second. The difference between a 4.8 and a 4.5 might be a loss or a 5 yard gain.
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Some guys try to hit the hole too fast. Which requires patience and vision. (Once again his strengths)

Sloopy45 said:
In fact, I think because of all of his transgressions, people have forgotten how great a RB he WAS. I emphasize was because he hasn't played football in 2 years. I thought he looked faster than a 4.8 in '02, but I don't know what shape he's been in, or what he's done to his body in the 2 years since. All I know is, RIGHT NOW he runs a 4.8.
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4.4 is what he was listed at when OSU recruited him. Ginn was listed at 4.45. If you think Clarett is or was faster than Ginn.....:roll1:

He RAN a 4.8 a month ago, then 4.72, now in the mid 4.6 range (2 lbs. heavier than when he ran the 4.8). Now that he is at the RB factory of the NFL and has some trainers that know what they are doing, he will get back into the 4.4 - 4.5 range. By your argument, he will be spectacular because he is faster. Vision, strength, patience, tackle breaking ability etc.... mean nothing.

BuckeyeNation27 said:
First, Sloopy is right guys.
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He is right if MoC still runs 4.8 (which he doesn't)
 
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gost8: "I will still take those odds"

You'll take 500,000 to 1 odds?? You should go to Vegas. I hear Caesars needs a new West Wing added to the Casino.

"There is a difference between a track guy that plays football and a football player that happens to also run track."

Point?

"Your point was that MoC has no motivation do do well in the NFL, because he was drafted too early and paid too much. You can be fast and still be a shitty RB."

First off, Maurice had everything in the world at Ohio State (women, celebrity, a bright future, money, etc.) & none of that was good enough to motivate him. So you're telling me (given this individual's history) that there's something, ANYTHING that tells us all (magically) that he won't act the same exact way now that he's set financially for life?

Are you reading what I write?? Where have I EVER said that speed is the be-all end-all factor for determining the productivity of a TB? Find it. BUT, my point is, it does help.

"Some guys try to hit the hole too fast. Which requires patience and vision. (Once again his strengths)"

Read what you just wrote. Is that relevant to anything?

There's no point in responding to this. Yadda, yadda. There are a million great college backs (Ron Dayne, Rashann Salaam, Anthony Thomas, etc.) who had the same 'instinct' that you say Maurice has .. but weren't fast enough to hit the hole in the NFL.

"4.4 is what he was listed at when OSU recruited him. Ginn was listed at 4.45. If you think Clarett is or was faster than Ginn....."

You really think Ginn runs a 4.4? Lets be serious. What he's 'listed at' & what's reality are two different things. And where did I ever say Clarett ran a 4.4? Go back and READ THOROUGHLY.

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