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scUM had been ranked at season's end every year since 1985. They lost to BYU in the 1984 Holiday Bowl to finsh 6-6 that year.
So a string of 20 straight years in the final polls was broken. What a shame! :tongue2:
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crazybuckfan40
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Well we have a all-time better record against Notre Lame so we should be ahead of them.
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According to your scoring method, if VY returns and leads Texas to a title defense, the Longhorns will pass Nebraska presuming the Cornhuskers finish no higher than eight.
BTW, congrats Longhorns on the landmark win. What a way to announce your arrival to the 800 Club!
BTW, congrats Longhorns on the landmark win. What a way to announce your arrival to the 800 Club!
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To ANYONE who did not give greenies for this:
- Do you know HOW to give greenies? If not, PM me and I'll fill you in.
- If you know how, do you know WHY they're given?
- If you know how and you know why and still didn't give greenies; your only excuse is that you're green with envy.
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This has been updated after the final polls for the 2006 season.
OK, here's how this was calculated. I took each team's ranking in every year-end poll since the AP started in 1936. Once 2 polls were involved, I always used the higher ranking. Sliding scale points were awarded for every year that a team ended up ranked, and 10 points were deducted for each losing season. The scale was determined before seeing where teams ended up.
For each year since 1936, a team earns points based on these criteria:
NC (#1) in either poll = 100 points
02 -> 05 = 65, 55, 50, 45 points, respectively
06 -> 10 = 40, 37, 34, 32, 30 points
11 -> 20 = 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10 points
21 -> 25 = 08, 06, 04, 03, 02 points
non-ranked, but .500 or above = 0 points
losing record for the year = minus 10 points
Here are the all-time totals, updated after the 2006 final polls:
01. 2274 - Oklahoma (re-passed ND after 2006)
02. 2265 - Notre Dame
03. 2109 - Ohio State (passed Bama after 2004)
04. 2010 - Alabama (-10 for losing record in 2006)
05. 1966 - Michigan
06. 1812 - USC
07. 1679 - Nebraska
08. 1639 - Texas
09. 1507 - Tennessee
10. 1418 - Penn State
11. 1181 - Miami
12. 1104 - Florida State
13. 0944 - LSU
14. 0932 - Auburn
15. 0928 - Georgia
16. 0899 - UCLA
17. 0892 - Florida
18. 0697 - Arkansas
19. 0678 - Michigan State
20. 0599 - Washington
21. 0525 - Georgia Tech
22. 0459 - Ole Miss
23. 0434 - Texas A&M
24. 0423 - Colorado
25. 0419 - Pittsburgh
26. 0399 - Minnesota
Other schools: Clemson(396), Syracuse(347), Army(327), Wisconsin(274), Iowa(248), Purdue(135)
OK, here's how this was calculated. I took each team's ranking in every year-end poll since the AP started in 1936. Once 2 polls were involved, I always used the higher ranking. Sliding scale points were awarded for every year that a team ended up ranked, and 10 points were deducted for each losing season. The scale was determined before seeing where teams ended up.
For each year since 1936, a team earns points based on these criteria:
NC (#1) in either poll = 100 points
02 -> 05 = 65, 55, 50, 45 points, respectively
06 -> 10 = 40, 37, 34, 32, 30 points
11 -> 20 = 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10 points
21 -> 25 = 08, 06, 04, 03, 02 points
non-ranked, but .500 or above = 0 points
losing record for the year = minus 10 points
Here are the all-time totals, updated after the 2006 final polls:
01. 2274 - Oklahoma (re-passed ND after 2006)
02. 2265 - Notre Dame
03. 2109 - Ohio State (passed Bama after 2004)
04. 2010 - Alabama (-10 for losing record in 2006)
05. 1966 - Michigan
06. 1812 - USC
07. 1679 - Nebraska
08. 1639 - Texas
09. 1507 - Tennessee
10. 1418 - Penn State
11. 1181 - Miami
12. 1104 - Florida State
13. 0944 - LSU
14. 0932 - Auburn
15. 0928 - Georgia
16. 0899 - UCLA
17. 0892 - Florida
18. 0697 - Arkansas
19. 0678 - Michigan State
20. 0599 - Washington
21. 0525 - Georgia Tech
22. 0459 - Ole Miss
23. 0434 - Texas A&M
24. 0423 - Colorado
25. 0419 - Pittsburgh
26. 0399 - Minnesota
Other schools: Clemson(396), Syracuse(347), Army(327), Wisconsin(274), Iowa(248), Purdue(135)
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This has been updated after the final polls for the 2007 season.
OK, here's how this was calculated. I took each team's ranking in every year-end poll since the AP started in 1936. Once 2 polls were involved, I always used the higher ranking. Sliding scale points were awarded for every year that a team ended up ranked, and 10 points were deducted for each losing season. The scale was determined before seeing where teams ended up.
For each year since 1936, a team earns points based on these criteria:
NC (#1) in either poll = 100 points
02 -> 05 = 65, 55, 50, 45 points, respectively
06 -> 10 = 40, 37, 34, 32, 30 points
11 -> 20 = 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10 points
21 -> 25 = 08, 06, 04, 03, 02 points
non-ranked, but .500 or above = 0 points
losing record for the year = minus 10 points
Here are the all-time totals, updated after the 2007 final polls:
01. 2308 - Oklahoma
02. 2255 - Notre Dame (-10 for losing record in 2007)
03. 2159 - Ohio State
04. 2010 - Alabama
05. 1980 - Michigan
06. 1877 - USC
T7. 1669 - Nebraska (-10 for losing record in 2007)
T7. 1669 - Texas
09. 1533 - Tennessee
10. 1420 - Penn State
11. 1171 - Miami (-10 for losing record in 2007)
12. 1104 - Florida State
13. 1044 - LSU
14. 0993 - Georgia
15. 0954 - Auburn
16. 0916 - Florida
17. 0889 - UCLA (-10 for losing season in 2007)
18. 0697 - Arkansas
19. 0668 - Michigan State
20. 0589 - Washington (-10 for losing season in 2007)
21. 0525 - Georgia Tech
22. 0449 - Ole Miss (-10 for losing season in 2007)
23. 0434 - Texas A&M
24. 0413 - Colorado
25. 0409 - Pittsburgh
Other schools: Clemson(404), Minnesota(389), Syracuse(337), Army(317), Wisconsin(282), Iowa(248), Purdue(135), Illinois (23)
New this year, I have given National Championship credit for those earned prior to 1936, on a sliding scale based on 12-year periods.
1869-1899 - 10 points for each MNC (no top teams here, almost all Ivy League)
1900-1911 - 25 points for each MNC
1912-1923 - 50 points for each MNC
1924-1935 - 75 points for each MNC
Here are the all-time totals, updated with the pre-1936 MNC points:
01. 2480 - Notre Dame (MNCs in '24, '29, '30)
02. 2308 - Oklahoma
03. 2285 - Alabama (MNCs in '25, '26, '34, 2/3 for '30)
04. 2180 - Michigan (MNCs in '01, '02, '23, '33)
05. 2159 - Ohio State
06. 2077 - USC (MNCs in '31, '32, 2/3 for '28)
T7. 1669 - Nebraska
T7. 1669 - Texas
09. 1533 - Tennessee
10. 1420 - Penn State
11. 1171 - Miami
12. 1104 - Florida State
13. 1044 - LSU
14. 0993 - Georgia
15. 0954 - Auburn
16. 0916 - Florida
17. 0889 - UCLA
18. 0697 - Arkansas
19. 0668 - Michigan State
20. 0650 - Georgia Tech (MNCs in '17, '28)
21. 0589 - Washington
22. 0539 - Minnesota (MNCs in '34, '35)
23. 0534 - Pittsburgh (MNCs in '10, '16' '18)
24. 0484 - Texas A&M (MNC in '19)
25. 0449 - Ole Miss
26. 0413 - Colorado
Note - USC and Bama received 50 points, rather than 75, for disputed titles in '28 and '30, respectively
Note - Illinois, with MNCs in '14, '23, and '27 fails to make the top 30.
OK, here's how this was calculated. I took each team's ranking in every year-end poll since the AP started in 1936. Once 2 polls were involved, I always used the higher ranking. Sliding scale points were awarded for every year that a team ended up ranked, and 10 points were deducted for each losing season. The scale was determined before seeing where teams ended up.
For each year since 1936, a team earns points based on these criteria:
NC (#1) in either poll = 100 points
02 -> 05 = 65, 55, 50, 45 points, respectively
06 -> 10 = 40, 37, 34, 32, 30 points
11 -> 20 = 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10 points
21 -> 25 = 08, 06, 04, 03, 02 points
non-ranked, but .500 or above = 0 points
losing record for the year = minus 10 points
Here are the all-time totals, updated after the 2007 final polls:
01. 2308 - Oklahoma
02. 2255 - Notre Dame (-10 for losing record in 2007)
03. 2159 - Ohio State
04. 2010 - Alabama
05. 1980 - Michigan
06. 1877 - USC
T7. 1669 - Nebraska (-10 for losing record in 2007)
T7. 1669 - Texas
09. 1533 - Tennessee
10. 1420 - Penn State
11. 1171 - Miami (-10 for losing record in 2007)
12. 1104 - Florida State
13. 1044 - LSU
14. 0993 - Georgia
15. 0954 - Auburn
16. 0916 - Florida
17. 0889 - UCLA (-10 for losing season in 2007)
18. 0697 - Arkansas
19. 0668 - Michigan State
20. 0589 - Washington (-10 for losing season in 2007)
21. 0525 - Georgia Tech
22. 0449 - Ole Miss (-10 for losing season in 2007)
23. 0434 - Texas A&M
24. 0413 - Colorado
25. 0409 - Pittsburgh
Other schools: Clemson(404), Minnesota(389), Syracuse(337), Army(317), Wisconsin(282), Iowa(248), Purdue(135), Illinois (23)
New this year, I have given National Championship credit for those earned prior to 1936, on a sliding scale based on 12-year periods.
1869-1899 - 10 points for each MNC (no top teams here, almost all Ivy League)
1900-1911 - 25 points for each MNC
1912-1923 - 50 points for each MNC
1924-1935 - 75 points for each MNC
Here are the all-time totals, updated with the pre-1936 MNC points:
01. 2480 - Notre Dame (MNCs in '24, '29, '30)
02. 2308 - Oklahoma
03. 2285 - Alabama (MNCs in '25, '26, '34, 2/3 for '30)
04. 2180 - Michigan (MNCs in '01, '02, '23, '33)
05. 2159 - Ohio State
06. 2077 - USC (MNCs in '31, '32, 2/3 for '28)
T7. 1669 - Nebraska
T7. 1669 - Texas
09. 1533 - Tennessee
10. 1420 - Penn State
11. 1171 - Miami
12. 1104 - Florida State
13. 1044 - LSU
14. 0993 - Georgia
15. 0954 - Auburn
16. 0916 - Florida
17. 0889 - UCLA
18. 0697 - Arkansas
19. 0668 - Michigan State
20. 0650 - Georgia Tech (MNCs in '17, '28)
21. 0589 - Washington
22. 0539 - Minnesota (MNCs in '34, '35)
23. 0534 - Pittsburgh (MNCs in '10, '16' '18)
24. 0484 - Texas A&M (MNC in '19)
25. 0449 - Ole Miss
26. 0413 - Colorado
Note - USC and Bama received 50 points, rather than 75, for disputed titles in '28 and '30, respectively
Note - Illinois, with MNCs in '14, '23, and '27 fails to make the top 30.
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SparkyOSU;1073524; said:
Army ended up with 342 points. Their only pre-1936 title was in 1914.
Navy never won the MNC.
For both of them, the subtracting of 10 points for each losing season hurts them. But I believe that feature fairly penalizes programs that have been up-and-down.
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
BB's data got me thinking...
You hear a lot in the media pumping up this-and-that program as a perennial powerhouse, or a dynasty, or as one that's "rich with tradition". So much so that's it's pretty much become a throw-away notion or a clich?.
BB's data bears, significantly, on this notion. You can put all these programs right next to each other and look down at the ordinal ranking and miss two very important characteristics:
1. There is an ENORMOUS achievement gap between #1 and #20 and ...
2. ... there are HUGE gaps between the top three, six, and ten, say and the rest. There's a big step-off going from tOSU (#3) to Alabama (#4). There's also a huge cliff dropping off from USC (#6) to Nebraska and Texas (#7 and #8). There's also a relatively huge step going down from Penn State (#10) to Miami (#11) and from UCLA (#17) to A-Kansas (#18).
To paint this picture the numbers are Turing to tell, I made a somewhat kludgey/ugly graph in excel. Kind of interesting that you could probably regress/fit a fairly straight line through the names of the programs, but there is clearly an elite class of programs that tower over everyone else.
It might also be interesting to overlay some color-coding on here based on conference...
You hear a lot in the media pumping up this-and-that program as a perennial powerhouse, or a dynasty, or as one that's "rich with tradition". So much so that's it's pretty much become a throw-away notion or a clich?.
BB's data bears, significantly, on this notion. You can put all these programs right next to each other and look down at the ordinal ranking and miss two very important characteristics:
1. There is an ENORMOUS achievement gap between #1 and #20 and ...
2. ... there are HUGE gaps between the top three, six, and ten, say and the rest. There's a big step-off going from tOSU (#3) to Alabama (#4). There's also a huge cliff dropping off from USC (#6) to Nebraska and Texas (#7 and #8). There's also a relatively huge step going down from Penn State (#10) to Miami (#11) and from UCLA (#17) to A-Kansas (#18).
To paint this picture the numbers are Turing to tell, I made a somewhat kludgey/ugly graph in excel. Kind of interesting that you could probably regress/fit a fairly straight line through the names of the programs, but there is clearly an elite class of programs that tower over everyone else.
It might also be interesting to overlay some color-coding on here based on conference...
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
here's a colorized version of the chart. not sure what to think...
a lot of SEC colors, but mostly in the middle of the pack. bama is the only one that stands apart.
not having done this type of analysis, my gut has always told me that, when looking at conferences (as opposed to individual teams) the big 12 is the best overall CFB conference historically. so BKB's data shows that it appears that the big 12 is the overall strongest "tradition of success" in CFB.
a lot of SEC colors, but mostly in the middle of the pack. bama is the only one that stands apart.
not having done this type of analysis, my gut has always told me that, when looking at conferences (as opposed to individual teams) the big 12 is the best overall CFB conference historically. so BKB's data shows that it appears that the big 12 is the overall strongest "tradition of success" in CFB.
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leroyjenkins
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Why's the SEC pink?? LOL. Mustve got trapped in the locker rooms at Kinnick!
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