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QB Julian "Just" Sayin (Official Thread)

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AuTX Buckeye said:
I just hope Sayin isn’t our backup going into fall camp because Devin, Lincoln and Air all depart after spring ball. This is a very real risk.
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What if Sayin didn’t come and Noland ended up being the backup going into fall camp? Brown and Lincoln probably transfer anyway. You can’t worry about “scaring guys off” in this climate. You take as many high level guys as you can and let it play out
 
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pnuts34 said:
I don’t think thats the case when you leave due to coaching change.
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Even if he did use his one time transfer exemption, having Saban announced he was retiring on the day that classes start is probably a real easy case to get a waiver. My guess is anyone from that recruiting class from Bama can easily make a case for a waiver because of the timing of Saban's retirement.

Most universities give you a full refund on tuition if you withdraw within the first week or two of classes.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
What if Sayin didn’t come and Noland ended up being the backup going into fall camp? Brown and Lincoln probably transfer anyway. You can’t worry about “scaring guys off” in this climate. You take as many high level guys as you can and let it play out
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Exactly but I'd add.....You take as many high level guys who (fit your system/style of play, don't have any "character issues", and can handle the academic side too, etc.) you can and let it play out.

Opposing teams are always looking for the mismatch and/or your weakest link to exploit. You might only be as good as your weakest player on both offense and defense. It is always desirable to try to upgrade the talent at every position. It has been said that competition makes everyone better.
 
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247sports.com

Alabama transfer QB Julian Sayin commits to Ohio State; HS coach Thadd MacNeal explains 5-star's decision

Sayin is on campus now in Columbus and will be ready to compete when spring ball rolls around.
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Alabama transfer QB Julian Sayin commits to Ohio State; HS coach Thadd MacNeal explains 5-star's decision​


“He signed to play for Nick Saban,” Carlsbad head coach Thadd MacNeal said. “He had a great relationship with coach Saban and Tommy Rees. Those were his guys and the ones he had a relationship with.

“When the new staff came in — it was nothing against them but he didn’t know them at all. He knew (offensive coordinator Ryan) Grubb a little and he did offer him at Washington but there was no relationship with him or DeBoer and Julian just felt like it was best for him to move on.”

At the time of his commitment to Alabama, Ohio State was high on Sayin’s list.

“They were actually No. 2 for him,” MacNeal said. “They were actually a close second and he visited at least two times that I know of. He loved Ryan Day and the offense and how quarterback friendly he is.

“Ohio State has done a great job developing quarterbacks there and Julian really likes (co-offensive coordinator and wide receivers coach (Brian) Hartline, too. He was involved recruiting Julian and they always have a great WR room at Ohio State and that’s obviously a huge deal if you’re a quarterback.”

Sayin also has a connection with new Buckeyes OC Bill O'Brien.

“O’Brien actually offered Julian when he was at Bama,” MacNeal said. “He loved him and he built a good relationship with him before he moved on.

“He has been on our campus here and he’s someone Julian knows and is excited to learn from. He has that NFL background and Julian really clicked well with him from a football standpoint.”

The Buckeyes winning tradition also played a role for Sayin.

“He wants to compete for a national championship,” MacNeal said. “There’s only a few schools built that way, and Ohio State is obviously one. They have a great winning tradition and have a great chance to make the (College Football) Playoff every year for the foreseeable future.

“They’re bringing in a great class and Julian knows a lot of the players there, including Jeremiah Smith, who’s a very special talent. He’s really excited and this is a great opportunity for him.”

Sayin is already on campus and will be ready to compete when spring ball kicks off.

“He’s there now and moving in,” MacNeal said. “I believe they start classes in a few weeks. So, right now, Julian just wants to get acclimated, dig in to the playbook and be ready to go.

“There were no promises about immediate playing time, but Julian is not afraid to compete with anyone. He knows they have a strong QB room in place but his goal is to come in and be ready to play and I definitely think he’s ready for that as well.”

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Just sayin': Maybe Sayin will be starting classes session 2 (Feb 28th) of the Spring Semester....:thinking:
 
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gmen6981 said:
It's official. He's a Buckeye.
I completely understand stockpiling talent, I'm just not sure how I feel about this one or really understand the reasoning behind it.
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Because he could be the next Drew Brees? Who knows what might happen. I'd rather have 2 elite hs qbs battling it out and making each other better than just 1. One might fit better with the offense, injuries, etc...
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
This isn't iron sharpening iron. Iron sharpening iron is having good CBs covering good WRs. This isn't that.

Unfortunately, Day isn't Saban. Saban has a little bit of leeway in that he's......you know.....the best ever. Terrible comparison.


QB is a onesie position, RB isn't. And there were questions about what Hayden would do......even though this is another terrible comparison because Sayin and Noland are in the same class.


So getting a freshman QB is automatically a win now move? Nah.




Just blindly banging your chest and acting like chemistry doesn't matter because unga bunga me strong, me play foot ball. And I can already see the cave man brain response of "oh then we should never go after a transfer ever again".......that's not what is being argued. Just in this unique situation, the POTENTIAL upgrade doesn't seem worth the POTENTIAL downside.

Edit: this is worded like an asshole. I regret it but I'm leaving it bc I'm sitting in my shame.
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Brother, there is no shame and I don't think you worded anything like an asshole. :lol: We are blood brothers, for life, united in fandom that was passed down from our parents, and from their parents before them. (Let the boy watch!) I appreciate the discussion and the debate because I don't think you're way off base. I think what you say carries weight and I think you're an intelligent poster.

Your example of WR v. CB is iron sharpening iron is of course correct - this can allow both players at the peak of their skills to challenge each other: the WR is forced to run better routes and refine their catching skills while the CB is forced to react quicker and test their coverage skills. But, so is two top flight QBs competing against each other for a single spot. Both players pushing each other can absolutely lead to their skills improving. Competition and challenge lead to improvement. The difference is one is a direct competition for a role, and the other is a matchup battle that enhances skills. I think both are valid examples.

On Day/Saban: I agree that Sabans reputation means his decisions carry weight, however, that doesn't mean a similar strategy by Day is less valid or less effective. I don't envision the best players in the country wanting to come play for a program that values seniority or past contributions (on field or recruiting fellow class mates to join the fold and commit) over playing the best players. While some players may opt for a program that values seniority over skill and performance, that is not what a tradition of excellence is about, imo, and not what highly competitive athletes want to do when they arrive on campus in Columbus. A culture of excellence should focus on maximizing the teams potential and system built on meritocracy (not loyalty/seniority) should attract the best to compete if they have a desire to play in the NFL. I do agree that all of these decisions have impacts on morale and team dynamics and there has to be a balance struck (one of many examples would be we don't want cancers no matter how great).

On the crossed out part: chemistry is crucial. I totally agree with that, and I hear you. Fucking up relationships can have big time lingering consequences. I don't know all the existing dynamics within the team, so this where I "trust the coaches" that they have a clue and think this guy is worth bringing in. I am not sure how much of an upgrade he is, if at all, and only time will tell. It's not about "never go after a transfer" but rather making decisions on specific needs we have. Clearly Day thought (a) this won't upset the harmony of the club (b) the juice is worth the squeeze or (c) Jax was right and Day is retarded. I don't think Day is retarded (but Jax might still be right lol). We are balancing short term gains with long term stability, I get what you're saying we just don't agree, I don't think stability is in jeopardy with this move. Just as it didn't cost Saban when he pulled the trigger at halftime on Tua. If we want Day to be the best - not a bad coach to emulate.

Look homie, I think it's important to be open to different perspectives. We are talking about something very complex - managing Ohio State Football - there can be multiple valid viewpoints and that's what makes BP great: lots & lots of good posters and very few, if any, midwits. Those types flush the fuck out of this place. I think Day has to find balance between both of our viewpoints and I don't think you're totally wrong or an asshole.

I enjoy the stuff you post, and I appreciate the viewpoints of all you jabronies here.
 
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Did this kids NIL agent write this? We just want to beat Scum, we don't need a hired mercenary.

"Incredibly excited to join the team here at Ohio State," Sayin told ESPN on Sunday. "I held this program in high regard throughout my entire recruiting process and am looking forward to learning from some of the most talented players and coaches in college football and contributing to our team's success."
 
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osuvictory1 said:
Did this kids NIL agent write this? We just want to beat Scum, we don't need a hired mercenary.

"Incredibly excited to join the team here at Ohio State," Sayin told ESPN on Sunday. "I held this program in high regard throughout my entire recruiting process and am looking forward to learning from some of the most talented players and coaches in college football and contributing to our team's success."
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Yes
 
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osuvictory1 said:
Did this kids NIL agent write this? We just want to beat Scum, we don't need a hired mercenary.

"Incredibly excited to join the team here at Ohio State," Sayin told ESPN on Sunday. "I held this program in high regard throughout my entire recruiting process and am looking forward to learning from some of the most talented players and coaches in college football and contributing to our team's success."
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What's this "we" shit?

The world has changed. Beat scUM.
 
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Mike80 said:
What's this "we" shit?

The world has changed. Beat scUM.
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Speaking from the perspective as a community.

Like the kids talent, but concerned OSU is bringing in another player (yes, OSU has had players like that) who won't embrace tradition, and give a little extra. The "soft" template that has been a constant criticism under Day. Also, will this kid be on the next train out of Cbus, at the faintest whiff of trouble. Yep.... The world has changed, but there is also risk with the change.

The risk is betting on this kid, knowing that Air, Brown and LK may ship out after spring camp.

Is this kid worth it?

He better be.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
This isn't iron sharpening iron. Iron sharpening iron is having good CBs covering good WRs. This isn't that.

SNIP
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BN27, you have been on this board for 7,228 days. In that time, we have seen 39,593 messages from you. You have shown us, without question, that you are a complete and total arsehole. That's why you fit in here so well. We're all complete and total arseholes. :lol:
 
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Quick story. My kids were competitive swimmers growing up. One time they had the chance to talk to someone who had won a few Olympic gold medals. They asked him how he made it to that level. His response was along the lines of "I always look for the person faster than me. Once I am faster than him I move to the next swimmer and just keep doing that. Without better competition I never would have made it to the Olympics."
 
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