OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
Trust me. I was hesitant to post. Not endorsing him for Heisman, but shows the type of attention across the country that JT is getting.
It's great to be a Buckeye.
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It's great to be a Buckeye.
Troy did some things JT could not do, but IMO he did not run the offense as well as JT until at best his senior season.There was a guy named Troy after Krenzel that ran the offense pretty well. Just sayin'...
And to do a comparison - in no way intended to diminish my love for Troy:
As a RS Soph in 8 games Troy threw 122 passes for 896 yards and 8 TDs.
As a RS Frosh JT has 133 passes for 1354 yards and 17 TDs/
To be sure, Troy did not have the same tools to work with, but my point with Barrett is that he is running more plays and more parts of the O than my feeble mind can recall.
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maximumblitz
Buckeye Samurai of Big League Blitzkreig
There was a guy named Troy after Krenzel that ran the offense pretty well. Just sayin'...
He had better receivers
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In 2004, Troy had the following players on offense:
WR - Santonio Holmes
WR/KR - Ted Ginn
WR - Anthony Gonzalez
RB - Antonio Pittman
OL - Nick Mangold
K - Mike Nugent
All of the above ended up being drafted, along with Kirk Barton, Doug Datish, and Rob Sims (still in the NFL I think). Holmes (Super Bowl XLIII MVP), Ginn, Mangold (5x Pro Bowl, 3x All-Pro), and Nugent are still playing in the NFL.
Me thinks Troy had more with which to work in 2004 than does Barrett now.
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I am disappointed this thread got off track and is about anything other than Barrett
As for Barrett's performance, I think it has been superb
Kid has not been on a field since early in his HS sr season.. and I'm pretty sure the teams he's facing are better than he saw in Wichita Falls TX
As for the teams he has played against this year.. you can only play the teams on your schedule... regardless of what you think about them
I feel the same about JT as I did Guiton... damn glad you were here JT
Threw to NINE different receivers.. that says a ton.. he's going thru his progressions
I tip my hat off to him and I thank you
As for Barrett's performance, I think it has been superb
Kid has not been on a field since early in his HS sr season.. and I'm pretty sure the teams he's facing are better than he saw in Wichita Falls TX
As for the teams he has played against this year.. you can only play the teams on your schedule... regardless of what you think about them
I feel the same about JT as I did Guiton... damn glad you were here JT
Threw to NINE different receivers.. that says a ton.. he's going thru his progressions
I tip my hat off to him and I thank you
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C-busBuck
Prettys Womans from your town for night
I understand your point Mili.. but who in the B1G, other than Michigan State and perhaps Nebraska, are any better than the opposition we have already faced? Unfortunately, the B1G over all is a very weak conference this year. We really won't know a whole lot about our team until we go to sparty. Until we play them, there is no litmus in this test to pass. Unless we decide to move to a better conference, (sacraledge) I know, this is what we have and it is a pitiful spot to be in.
But for a red shirt freshman thrust into the spotlight, JT has performed very very well and I hate to see a quarterback put into a position where, no matter what, he knows next year that he will be a backup, even if we go undefeated the rest of the season. It's a pretty lame position to be in.
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Believe it or not, Ped State is #9 in the country in total defense, ahead of #11 MSU. Michigan is also #19 (we are #18) and Minnesota is #34, way ahead of dumpster fire defenses Kent State (#106), Cincinnati (#124) and Maryland (#97). Both the Ped State and Sparty games are road games. Let's see how JT performs two top-11 defense on the road, at night, before anyone pencils him in as next year's starter.
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buckeye4ever21
Heisman
MSU and OSU are the only 2 defenses that are legitimate out of all the schools mentioned and the fact that our top 10 balanced offense destroyed those 3 defenses, makes their numbers look even worse. Heck we'd send michigan from 19th to 119th if we played them this week.
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Based on what?
Those three defenses were shit before we played them. Even dropping 700 yards on Cincinnati wouldn't drop them more than 10-15 positions.
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What he said. It is really important the JT realizes that he has played against confidence builders. There are tougher defenses ahead. I'm not saying that this offense is not growing exponentially, but rather that it will be needed to reach a higher level. Can JT do it? I think so, but we will see.
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buckeye4ever21
Heisman
Based upon talent, coaching, recruiting and scheme. Psu hasn't played anyone and minn has never had a defense. Great defensive play just doesn't show up all of a sudden. You can't grade defensive stats this early in the season because the non conference slate skews it. Man Michigan is 19th in total defense, must mean they are unreal, oh wait they aren't.
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I'm assuming you didn't mean it necessarily this way, but, my sense is indeed that Barrett is running a larger volume of plays given the differences between Tressel-ball and Herman/Meyer. Reality is that Barret's pass efficency rating is about 50 pts higher for JT. Now, having said all that, Troy's "8 games" that year were probably a little more challenging... so... things may even out. They are similar rushers to this point both around 4 ypc... though I'd bet JT has taken more sacks, so obviously there are 2 ways to look at that.
At any rate, and I say this in the best way possilble... they seem to me to be very similar players, and whatever the differences may be, JT seems the more polished QB in his first season, but its not how you start its how you finished.
Also, I think, but systemwise (now) and recent talent wise... we're much more spoiled now than we were in 2004. Barrett is following Braxton Miller and Terelle Pryor, and essentially (for that matter) Troy Smith with a blip or two aside.
Before Troy was the starter, or at least before 2006, we were having serious... legitimate conversations about whether Craig Krenzel was the greatest Ohio State QB ever... and if he wasn't we were jumping in the way back machine to find a comparison (apologies to Joe Germaine for either overlooking him or calling him old, one of the two.)
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You mean the same MSU defense that got their doors blown off in the second half at Oregon? Aside from Oregon, they haven't played anyone (Jacksonville St, Eastern Michigan, Wyoming)...even Nebraska almost came from behind at MSU to beat them.
As for your statement, "Great defensive play just doesn't show up all of a sudden", well, yes, sometimes it does. There are plenty of instances where a team's defense makes a marked improvement from one season to the next. Your claim that MSU and OSU have the only two legit defenses in the conference is myopic. Minnesota held TCU to almost 100 yards below it's season average for offense, at TCU. Ped State's schedule is comparable to MSU's (aside from their season openers, UCF vice Oregon).
I'm not saying that Minnesota, Michigan, and the Pedtards have great defenses, but they are significantly better than the Kent State, Cincy, and Maryland defenses. If we put up 50+ points
--hell, even 40+ points--against those three, then we can say that JT is truly what many here are claiming (or we can say that those defense were truly shit).
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We are certainly on the same page and isn't this a wonderful conversation to be able to have. Two great QBs - one to celebrate for his past and one for his future.
But I will say this - totally my own opinion. Barrett will never be the athlete that Troy was as a QB. But in terms of running the O I think we may need to go back to names like Schlichter and Kern for comparisons before he is through.
And for those too young to remember Rex Kern - if you ever wondered what it would be like to have Aaron Craft QB the football team he might have been it.
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