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QB Controversy: How the Buckeyes Have Squandered the Greatest Luxury in College Football

For eight months the dilemma over which quarterback Ohio State should start was seen almost unanimously as a good problem to have. JT Barrett had put together one of the most prolific seasons a B1G quarterback has ever had. After Barrett's injury Cardale Jones was unflappable in leading one of the most spectacular and surprising postseason runs ever seen in college football. Everybody seemed to think that no matter who got the nod, the Buckeyes would be in fantastic shape.

Now, only three games into the season, what was once an enviable situation is a old-fashioned full-blown quarterback controversy with no good answers. Neither quarterback has been effective so far, and things went from bad to uncertain when Cardale Jones was pulled in favor of JT Barrett against Northern Illinois. Urban Meyer had rotated his quarterbacks throughout the first two games of the season, but this wasn't a rotation - it was a benching.

For his part, Barrett came in and soon led the Buckeyes to their only offensive touchdown of the game, but on the whole he was not much better. He made mistakes in his own right, and perhaps the only reason he was permitted to finish the game was because nobody ever really puts a guy back in who has been benched the way Jones was.

There's a weird dynamic at play here. Ever since he burst on the scene, we have known Jones to be a supremely confident player who plays loose. At the moment he doesn't look that way at all. He seems to completely lack confidence - he's indecisive throwing the ball, running it, and handing off. The guy who's shown on camera yelling at teammates for not being on the same page doesn't look like the guy who once cracked jokes to break the tension. JT Barrett on the other hand has come to be known as the consistent choice - the heady, accurate facilitator who could make the offense run more smoothly than anybody else. He too looks like the opposite of his reputation - rusty with both his throws and reads. Even when the play he runs works, it looks disjointed.

The adage goes, "When you have two quarterbacks, you have none." The coaches, analysts, and most fans didn't seem to think that would hold true in this case, but so far it has. Reps have been split in games and in practices, seemingly allowing neither player to be sharp. They are still ostensibly competing for the job, and both players seem to go through moments of pressing for a big play or playing indecisively to avoid a crippling mistake. The entire offense has ground to a screeching halt in the midst of this.

While it's up to the players to execute, much of the blame can be placed on the way this situation has been handled up to this point. Waiting until breaking the huddle for the first possession in Blacksburg may have seemed like the ultimate in gamesmanship at the time, but now it just looks like a case of Urban Meyer being too clever for his own good. The handling of the quarterback position seemingly has both players looking over their shoulders, neither feeling free to play his best.

The starting quarterback should have been decided on by the end of fall camp. Whichever player was chosen seems to matter less than the fact that he would have gotten the majority of first team reps and the opportunity to assume true leadership of the offense. This is especially important given the changes that took place around the team in the offseason. A team that seemingly returned a lot of firepower actually went through a lot more upheaval than people acknowledged. There's a new offensive coordinator, who is now splitting his time with offensive line coaching. There is a new quarterbacks coach as well. Two starting receivers and a starting tight end graduated. Another receiver that was assumed to be one of the new starters was lost for the season to an injury. Three more receivers were suspended to start the season. While there is still plenty of talent surrounding the quarterbacks, the starter needed as many chances as possible to develop a rapport with these new pieces, and those chances were cut in half and split among two players. It's not a good way to hit the ground running at the start of the season.

I don't know who should start from here on out. Neither player has distinguished himself yet. I'm not sure performance matters anymore. A decision of some sort needs to be made. I do still believe that either player can flourish as the starter, but before that can happen the team needs to commit to somebody and put the time, reps, and resources behind that decision to get the most out of that player. Failing to do so has been a mistake by Meyer. He won't admit it during the season, but I think that once it's over he'll look back, assess the decision, and realize that he could have handled it much better.
 
Agree on some level, but the problem as jlb stated here is that Cardale was asked to demonstrate growth from Week 1 to Week 3 while getting 40-50% of the practice reps instead of 80% like a starter should.

No matter who the staff preferred, the starter was setup to fail by their being indecisive.
I'm not saying you're lying or this is untrue.....but is this really how it has been handled? I've adopted @Jagdaddy 's 3 year rule, but I have a problem with that if that's how they did it.
 
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I'm not saying you're lying or this is untrue.....but is this really how it has been handled? I've adopted @Jagdaddy 's 3 year rule, but I have a problem with that if that's how they did it.

Well, we know that that reps were split evenly clear up until the first snap in Blacksburg - even in the dang pre-game warm-ups. What has happened after that is conjecture I guess. Even if it's not 50/50 anymore I have a hard time believing it's 80/20 or anything like where it would be if there were a clear no. 1.
 
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If only you guys had a game changing running back you could give the rock to 25 times a game - if only!

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This isn't rocket science. Corch just needs to get back to basics. Stick with Jones and run the shit out of the ball. Thrown 12-15 passes a game and just physically pound people. You're the undefeated National champs, you don't need style points to get into the CFP, you just have to win.
 
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If only you guys had a game changing running back you could give the rock to 25 times a game - if only!

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This isn't rocket science. Corch just needs to get back to basics. Stick with Jones and run the [Mark May] out of the ball. Thrown 12-15 passes a game and just physically pound people. You're the undefeated National champs, you don't need style points to get into the CFP, you just have to win.
Except there is no "stay a mile back" defense (like Bama and Oregon had to run) given the all woeful passing game and no Devin to catch everything deep.

There's also the horrific interior blocking. The guys that manhandled the postseason opponents are getting whipped by terrible competition.

The perimeter blocking is also sub standard, in stark contrast to the ferocious blocking seen last winter. They are getting beat and preventing Elliott or Samuel from adding another 4-12 yds to the end of their perimeter runs.

Starting cardale subtracts an extra blocker from every play. Virginia Tech was thrilled every time cardale kept it on the option.

JT is pretty rough right now as a passer but his efficiency on the option is a huge plus. His good running ability subtracts a blocker by forcing the defense to account for him. The line suddenly started creating holes on Saturday.
 
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For eight months the dilemma over which quarterback Ohio State should start was seen almost unanimously as a good problem to have. JT Barrett had put together one of the most prolific seasons a B1G quarterback has ever had. After Barrett's injury Cardale Jones was unflappable in leading one of the most spectacular and surprising postseason runs ever seen in college football. Everybody seemed to think that no matter who got the nod, the Buckeyes would be in fantastic shape.

Now, only three games into the season, what was once an enviable situation is a old-fashioned full-blown quarterback controversy with no good answers. Neither quarterback has been effective so far, and things went from bad to uncertain when Cardale Jones was pulled in favor of JT Barrett against Northern Illinois. Urban Meyer had rotated his quarterbacks throughout the first two games of the season, but this wasn't a rotation - it was a benching.

For his part, Barrett came in and soon led the Buckeyes to their only offensive touchdown of the game, but on the whole he was not much better. He made mistakes in his own right, and perhaps the only reason he was permitted to finish the game was because nobody ever really puts a guy back in who has been benched the way Jones was.

There's a weird dynamic at play here. Ever since he burst on the scene, we have known Jones to be a supremely confident player who plays loose. At the moment he doesn't look that way at all. He seems to completely lack confidence - he's indecisive throwing the ball, running it, and handing off. The guy who's shown on camera yelling at teammates for not being on the same page doesn't look like the guy who once cracked jokes to break the tension. JT Barrett on the other hand has come to be known as the consistent choice - the heady, accurate facilitator who could make the offense run more smoothly than anybody else. He too looks like the opposite of his reputation - rusty with both his throws and reads. Even when the play he runs works, it looks disjointed.

The adage goes, "When you have two quarterbacks, you have none." The coaches, analysts, and most fans didn't seem to think that would hold true in this case, but so far it has. Reps have been split in games and in practices, seemingly allowing neither player to be sharp. They are still ostensibly competing for the job, and both players seem to go through moments of pressing for a big play or playing indecisively to avoid a crippling mistake. The entire offense has ground to a screeching halt in the midst of this.

While it's up to the players to execute, much of the blame can be placed on the way this situation has been handled up to this point. Waiting until breaking the huddle for the first possession in Blacksburg may have seemed like the ultimate in gamesmanship at the time, but now it just looks like a case of Urban Meyer being too clever for his own good. The handling of the quarterback position seemingly has both players looking over their shoulders, neither feeling free to play his best.

The starting quarterback should have been decided on by the end of fall camp. Whichever player was chosen seems to matter less than the fact that he would have gotten the majority of first team reps and the opportunity to assume true leadership of the offense. This is especially important given the changes that took place around the team in the offseason. A team that seemingly returned a lot of firepower actually went through a lot more upheaval than people acknowledged. There's a new offensive coordinator, who is now splitting his time with offensive line coaching. There is a new quarterbacks coach as well. Two starting receivers and a starting tight end graduated. Another receiver that was assumed to be one of the new starters was lost for the season to an injury. Three more receivers were suspended to start the season. While there is still plenty of talent surrounding the quarterbacks, the starter needed as many chances as possible to develop a rapport with these new pieces, and those chances were cut in half and split among two players. It's not a good way to hit the ground running at the start of the season.

I don't know who should start from here on out. Neither player has distinguished himself yet. I'm not sure performance matters anymore. A decision of some sort needs to be made. I do still believe that either player can flourish as the starter, but before that can happen the team needs to commit to somebody and put the time, reps, and resources behind that decision to get the most out of that player. Failing to do so has been a mistake by Meyer. He won't admit it during the season, but I think that once it's over he'll look back, assess the decision, and realize that he could have handled it much better.

A great piece of work. Granted, everybody thought this was a great problem to have. However, it looks like the result has gone from two top tier quarterbacks to two broken spirits. Maybe I'm wrong..........but if I'm right, it'll be impossible to fix. I pray that I'm wrong, as I love both of these guys and of course all of the Buckeyes.

"Sophie's Choice"? I hope not. How firm thy friendship.
 
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Except there is no "stay a mile back" defense (like Bama and Oregon had to run) given the all woeful passing game and no Devin to catch everything deep.

There's also the horrific interior blocking. The guys that manhandled the postseason opponents are getting whipped by terrible competition.

The perimeter blocking is also sub standard, in stark contrast to the ferocious blocking seen last winter. They are getting beat and preventing Elliott or Samuel from adding another 4-12 yds to the end of their perimeter runs.

Starting cardale subtracts an extra blocker from every play. Virginia Tech was thrilled every time cardale kept it on the option.

JT is pretty rough right now as a passer but his efficiency on the option is a huge plus. His good running ability subtracts a blocker by forcing the defense to account for him. The line suddenly started creating holes on Saturday.
Exactly... Cardale is a non threat in the option game and for the most part as a runner in general (He's not bad once he gets moving but lacks explosiveness) which right now we could use all the playmakers we can get. How many times has Urban said we are a run oriented team? MANY. We will not be what we were last year without JT taking over because we never have been a straight hand off team. For the last four years we've been one of the best offensively because people have had to account for a dynamic QB running the ball while also accounting for a big powerful (yet fast) running back. Right now with CJ the defenses are saying "attack Zeke" and why wouldn't they when CJ is in the backfield? He may get 5 yards but it's a far cry from Zeke, JT or even Braxton going 15-20. When you add that in with CJ's tendency to drift backwards in the pocket, his tendency to hang onto the ball, and his propensity to force the ball the odds are the old saying is true "when you throw 3 things can happen and 2 of them isn't good"

UFM has announced he has a idea who's going to start Saturday but will announce it tomorrow. Just like last week leading up to NIU the more this week goes the more I'm convinced JT is the clear answer and if he does announce tomorrow and he Announces that CJ is the starter still I won't get this at all. First he's already been the starter so why beat around the bush how about just reaffirm him? Second, 3 INT's massive amounts of fumbled snaps and a few across the body throws that were almost picked suggest other wise, and finally what JT did last year should at least earn him the right to prepare as the starter and to be the starter. Maybe JT works or maybe he doesn't do any better but he's at least earned the opportunity to see if he can lead this team. A opportunity that 12 has already had the first three weeks
 
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Lol Bama was running cover zero for large swaths of the game. That's how Devin was always one on one.
No, they weren't. Devin's first bomb that nearly went for six had two guys right on him. The later bomb for six was cover 1 with the safety late to roll over to that side.

There were also a lot of snaps where one or both safeties were not in view on Espn, a far cry from what VT ran both years, taunting osu and daring them to hurt them deep.

Of course that requires time, composure, timely reads and decisions., accuracy, ball skills and strength on the other end. They've frequently had none of the above on passing downs this season.
 
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I agree with Jwins. Execution on blocking, interior o-line and perimeter, has doomed the offense to this point when they actually get the ball to a skill player. I understand what Warinner is trying to do on offense, but it's not getting done and it isn't efficient. I don't see guys always doing their 1/11.

Regarding QB success, or lack there of, I don't think it's a coincidence that Herman's departure has affected this negatively. I complained about his play calling when he was here until late, but I never doubted his ability to get QBs ready and have them ready. I figured Meyer and Herman were responsible (drills, engagement, mental reps, etc). It was plug and play the entire time Herman was here. Braxton, Kenny, JT, Cardale. Additionally, the offense was was rarely sloppy and the team executed the basic concepts well. I think the new guys can get us close to that level, but Herman was an asset.
 
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Lol Bama was running cover zero for large swaths of the game. That's how Devin was always one on one.
I'm only going to break down a few drives, but this is enough to give you an idea of why things are so different than against Alabama. Oregon also employed the "stay the heck back" approach with their safeties, but they also lack a credible defense, so they're not a very useful comparison to Va Tech.

Look at the film for the Sugar Bowl. Look how far back Bama is playing their safeties, and keep in mind that Landon is not a deep safety on certain downs.



Drive 1

1st & 10 - 10 & 10+ yds off
2nd & 4 - 7 & 12 yds off
3rd & 10 - safeties not in view, 11+ yds off
1st & 10 - 9 & ?? 13+ not in view
1st & 10 - 4 & 10 ................. and they stuff it behind the LOS
2nd & 12 - ??? 10+, not in view... Elliott runs almost the length of the field.

n/a - 3 plays inside the 10


Drive 2

1st & 10 - 12 & 12, with one filling (and getting whipped), then EzE fumbles

Drive 3

1st & 10 - 12 & ?? 11+, big gain, as the safety waits for him 8 yds upfield.
1st & 10 - 12 & 10
2nd & 10 - 14+ & ??? 10+
3rd & 8 - 7 & 14
1st & 10 - bad angle, but at least 8+ for both
2nd & 10 - not only are the safeties 10+ deep, but a 3rd db is bailing 8 yds deep. Collins comes and fills on the ill advised sideways run for Cardale
3rd & 9 - both safeties deep, and stay deep on both deep routes. They just get beat.

n/a - 3 plays inside the 10

Bama could not stack the box and dare OSU to throw. They were weak on the back end coming into the game and that showed. Even the bigger bama homers admitted that was their lone, small weakness.

I'm not talking about an occasional blitz, or Landon playing close with 1-2 safeties covering the back end. I'm talking about "prove to me you can actually throw" level stacking that VT has employed twice.

Now watch these:



Drive 1

1st & 10 - There are ELEVEN!1!! players within 5 yds of the LOS. The outside corners are ready to press too. Both safeties attack.
2nd & 10 - Again, all 11 within 5 yds.
3rd & 5 - Yet again, all 11 within 5 yds. Rub route that Beck/Ed have been running. Much like this year, it's failing when it should succeed.

Drive 2

1st & 10 - Now they're all within FOUR yards of the LOS :lol: Corey gets open but can't make the play on the ball
2nd & 10 - Again within FOUR :lol: Option eaten alive. I wish Braxton were here for that play, because I think he makes that cut and has absolutely no one behind it to save the D.
3rd & 10 - 5 & 17 yds for safeties. Close safety blitzing/spying. Misses Barrett and allows huge scramble.
1st & 10 - 5 (attacking) & ??? 15+? (He never comes into view). The first time all game they didn't stack the box on running downs and look what happened, a 17 yd gain.
1st & 10 - 10 guys within 4 yds. One corner 9 yds deep. Throws to wilson, PI.
1st & 10 - all 11 back within 5 yds. Great blocking, then Barrett spins to nowhere, spoiling a potential TD but still gains 10.

n/a - 3 plays inside 10

They aren't just loading the box. They're suffocating it and then attacking downhill on almost every play.



Drive 1

1st & 10 - 9 bodies within 9 yds. Safeties are 7 & 9 yds upfield watching the backfield and ready to attack. Giant hole for Cardale filled by safety, meets him at 2, can't stop the freight train, who gains 7.
2nd & 4 - 10 within 5 yds. One very deep safety. The TE and OL both head upfield to the MLB, leaving two edge players untouched to swarm Cardale. he's too slow to attack upfield in that gap.
3rd & 4 - 10 guys within 5 yds. The other roving 5-7 yds near the LOS, who chooses badly and leaves an easy slant to Thomas. He notices but is too late.
1st & 10 - 9 guys within 5 yds. Two outside corners are 10 yds deep. Jones gets obliterated by MLB, rushing an easy td to campbell (who should have caught it still)
2nd & 10 - 10 guys within 5 yds. One safety 12 yds deep. Makes a good choice to attack backside. Is way too slow and gets stopped for a 3 yd gain. That's a big gain for barrett or miller.
Unsportsmanlike on Boren
3rd & 21 - 10 guys within 4 yds. One safety a mile deep. All box defenders attack. Cardale shrugs off a tackler, races for 17
4th & 5 - 10 guys within 5 yds. One safety 9 yds deep. Easy rub route (though Cardale took his time, as he and JT have done a lot on this play this year)
1st & 10 - 9 guys within 5 yds, 8 in box. Two outside corners 10 yds deep. protection allows another untouched blitzer, Cardale bounces outside and makes a clutch if dangerous throw to Curtis for six.

Drive 2

1st & 10 - 10 guys within 5, the 11th is 8 yds deep. Safety chooses wrong, then the other safety whiffs, leaving nothing but paydirt. TD.

Drive 3

1st & 10 - 10 guys within 5, the 11th is 7 yds deep. Samuel in motion totally outflanks them. Pass is late and high, incomplete. Pressure outside but an earlier throw negates that.
2nd & 10 - 11 guys within 6 yds. Speed option. There's room outside but no quickness from Jones so it's stopped by a big hefty DL.
3rd & 7 - 6 guys in box, 3 corners at the first down line, 1 deep safety behind them. Nice checkdown to Vannett for first down.
1st & 10 - 10 guys within 5 yds, 11th is 8 yds deep, offsides.
1st & 10 - 10 guys within 5 yds, 11th is 8 yds deep, all 7 box defenders blitz, man on man with 1 safety over the middle. Low throw to Miller, great grab.
1st & 10 - 10 guys within 4, 11th is 9 yds deep and attacking Braxton in wildcat. Hole closes fast with filling safety. short gain.
2nd & 8 - All 11 within 7 yds. Timeout.
2nd & 8 - 10 guys within 3, 11th is 10 yds deep. Beautiful touch pass to Elliott who is almost covered, good catch and gets upfield for 6. Thomas open for an easy slant TD over middle, though price missing one of many blocks may negate that.
3rd & 2 - 10 defenders within 4, 11th is 8 yds deep. Safety fills on the wrong side, leaving Cardale wide open for six. Called back for holding
3rd & 12 - 9 defenders within 5, two deep safeties. Cardale checks down 7 yds short of LOS, instead of hitting Thomas at the first down line. Fumbled, wrongly called incomplete.
 
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