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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
I guess that's the case. Shots of tequila it is then. (maybe chased by a pint)
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
You conflated your opinion with fact in regards to the trial. Period. That is the bottom line.
Whether or not Dr. Noakes views on nutrition are correct or not were not directly on trial. The complaint revolved around whether or not he violated professional ethics. We can certainly speculate as whether that complaint was influenced by outside forces. That is certainly a possibility, as is the possibility that he was under attack for diverging from accepted orthodoxy. He had to go outside of the country to find experts willing to testify on his behalf as none of his South African colleagues would do so. Similarly a number of dietitians around the world were uncomfortable with his approach, including those who support low carb diets. There is certainly more to the story.
Dr Noakes made a dietary recommendation to a mother on twitter whom he had no professional contact with. That spurred a professional complaint from a colleague which resulted in his trial. He was found innocent of any misconduct during the trial, and again during the appeal. Those are the facts. Everything else is conjecture.
Instead of stating the facts & then adding that you believe that you believe that Julsing-Strydom brought the complaint due to pressure from Kellog's, that would be more than reasonable. You chose not to do that, instead you chose to present your opinion (however reasonable it may be) as fact. That is a disservice to those interested in the case.
Your appeal to authority does not impress me, and your attempt to make said appeal is disappointing.
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The thread is about the dietary advice, not the trial. This trial was a last gasp attempt to discredit Noakes in some way. They lost. The truth is out and that is why Ohio State's food science people have paid Noakes to visit and share his insights. I have conflated nothing. You have tried to shape an argument by making strawman arguments about a trial, blindly ignoring the wealth of science that supports Noakes.
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I am actually trying out a hybrid of the keto diet that is essentially higher fat/low carb with intermittent fasting (eating between noon and 6 only), and the results have been pretty incredible. Not sure if it was just changing it up and breaking a plateau, but I made unreal strides in 10 days and feel fantastic. My first 5 days alone, I lost almost 7 pounds and I had already lost about 30 this year. My muscle mass stayed about the same and while my water was down a bit, there has definitely been some significant fat loss.
That being said, I only quoted what you said because beer is a huge roadblock. I want to be in shape so I can enjoy a few craft beers and not have to worry about it so much. I think a low carb centric diet is probably what I will aim for in terms out what I regularly eat, but in no world am I not going have a brewski here and there...and there. Even if you don't want to make it a permanent lifestyle decision, it is not a bad change of pace for your diet to try once. And for anyone who likes Coors Light and some other light beers, there is actually an incredibly low amount of carbs that doesn't throw the diet off too bad.
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Buckeye513
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Unless I'm cutting, I still drink 1-2 beers or glasses of wine 2-3 times a week. Outside of huge stouts or Belgians, I don't really notice a difference. If you're past a certain age and you drink more than that, you need to lower whatever fitness goals you have anyway.
I don't fuck with liquor anymore, but I have heard from other people that have done keto that after a couple weeks one shot suddenly felt like three and their alcohol tolerance in general went to shit. Efficient nights, positive aspect to glycogen depletion. Hangovers are probably terrible though.
I don't fuck with liquor anymore, but I have heard from other people that have done keto that after a couple weeks one shot suddenly felt like three and their alcohol tolerance in general went to shit. Efficient nights, positive aspect to glycogen depletion. Hangovers are probably terrible though.
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
Yup. It’s a massive road block for me too. Two taps in the house, a couple of beverage fridges filled with craft beers, home brew... it could be my death. I did Isagenyx a few years ago. Dropped from 245 to 175. Hit 200 and weight was still coming off so I kept going. Getting to 175 was a huge push tho. I was probably at 1200 calories a day, exercising 400-500 off each day with cardio so I was waaaaaay net negative calories. Took a couple of months of basically devoted work. There’s a reason I’ve not been 175 in a couple of decades...and that’s a combination of activity and time to devote to it.
I hosed up my knee a couple of years ago and balooned and have to get back to 200 again. That’s a very manageable weekend get for me food / exercise / lifestyle wise. Just got back from vacation last week and started it up again. The first 20 are generally pretty easy for me. The next 20 are a little rougher because the diet is really bland... so it’s mental at that point.
But yeah, skip a couple months of drinking and then have a shot after dropping 60+ pounds? The first couple of drinks I had after dieting last time damn near made me pass out. I’ve not had a drink in a week... and that included business travel and dinners out. That’s also a big hurdle for me. Just gotta do it.
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I feel you, that is about where I have been. I have just tried to cut down on the drinking in the weekdays, I only cut it out completely this last week. I typically have intense workouts where I am burning about 500-700 calories, my intake is around 1500-ish when not drinking. I plan on trying to keep that up on the weekdays with no drinking and keeping up the high protein/fat, low carb diet, then with my workouts it should get me where I want to go I think. Once I am down there, I will keep my drinking moderate and keep the same base diet, but in no world am I cutting out craft beer out of my diet altogether for an extended period of time.
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Meh, I drank an 8 or 9 pack on Friday and rode my bike for 7 or so hours on Saturday.... see... I NEEDED those carbs.
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