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Dublin Buckeyes
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osugrad21;688438; said:
You are not the only forum i participate in and now I'm starting to get pissed about it. For this site that makes no sense. The ads and all copy with this type of setup you have. stupid.
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It's a non-event.
We can still summarize and even still copy and paste small portions of the articles; but just snatching the entire thing off of another site and pasting it here is a pretty brazen violation of their property rights, when everyone out there (and their dog) has some sort of stake in the world-wide intar-nets game these days.
What prompted this was a friendly but entirely direct email from a writer for the Columbus Dispatch.
All people are losing are the rest of the words used to convey the message, what they're not losing is the message itself. If they wish to read the original work in its original form, there's a link on the same post. What we gain in being able to browse quickly through for the content we actually care about.
I don't really understand this statement, otherwise I'd try to respond to it.
For sites that require log-ins (but not paid subscriptions) we can be a little more aggressive about how much we paste, and also include a link to the enormously helpful bugmenot.com as well.
We can still summarize and even still copy and paste small portions of the articles; but just snatching the entire thing off of another site and pasting it here is a pretty brazen violation of their property rights, when everyone out there (and their dog) has some sort of stake in the world-wide intar-nets game these days.
What prompted this was a friendly but entirely direct email from a writer for the Columbus Dispatch.
All people are losing are the rest of the words used to convey the message, what they're not losing is the message itself. If they wish to read the original work in its original form, there's a link on the same post. What we gain in being able to browse quickly through for the content we actually care about.
I don't really understand this statement, otherwise I'd try to respond to it.
For sites that require log-ins (but not paid subscriptions) we can be a little more aggressive about how much we paste, and also include a link to the enormously helpful bugmenot.com as well.
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Let's see this in practice;
Clarity's Explanation
"We can still summarize and even still copy and paste small portions of the articles; but just snatching the entire thing off of another site and pasting it here is a pretty brazen violation of their property rights, when everyone out there (and their dog) has some sort of stake in the world-wide intar-nets game these days."
Portion of the original work is quoted, without lifting the entire work. We end up with a more concise summary, and the option to click through and go see more. No loss.
Clarity's Explanation
"We can still summarize and even still copy and paste small portions of the articles; but just snatching the entire thing off of another site and pasting it here is a pretty brazen violation of their property rights, when everyone out there (and their dog) has some sort of stake in the world-wide intar-nets game these days."
Portion of the original work is quoted, without lifting the entire work. We end up with a more concise summary, and the option to click through and go see more. No loss.
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Clarity;692901; said:
Clarity, I didn't get that statement either but I just wasn't sure if I was missing something so I let it be.
BTW, didn't the Dispatch use to require a login to view their articles?
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They did. I think they finally just realized that such policies are counter-productive to bringing in eyeballs.
When we make little corrections like this, we have all the flexibility in the world to decide how to deploy and enforce it. I'd rather be proactive than reactive in regards to something like this, and I suspect we'll find richer summaries when it comes to sites that are less accessible due to obstacles such as registrations and/or invasive ads.
How BP aggregates relevant Buckeye info isn't changing, nor will the experience for those who find value in the one-stop shopping. As always, since this site has always been a product of those who decide to step forward and contribute on their own terms, what we enjoy is what we decide to put into it.
When we make little corrections like this, we have all the flexibility in the world to decide how to deploy and enforce it. I'd rather be proactive than reactive in regards to something like this, and I suspect we'll find richer summaries when it comes to sites that are less accessible due to obstacles such as registrations and/or invasive ads.
How BP aggregates relevant Buckeye info isn't changing, nor will the experience for those who find value in the one-stop shopping. As always, since this site has always been a product of those who decide to step forward and contribute on their own terms, what we enjoy is what we decide to put into it.
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zincfinger
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Speculatively, it sounded like Dublin was worried about picking up cookies, spam, or merely being forced to view banners when he visits a commercial website. It seems to me there are two points in response to this:
1) If you know how to manage your browser, there are ways to minimize all of these advertising/tracking issues.
2) Mildly reminiscent of the Rumor Mill dustup, nobody guaranteed you the convenience of absorbing all your cookies for you. The people who find and link these articles are doing a favor. It's going a bit overboard to insist that they do the additional favor of taking away web hits from the original author in order to save us a further, mild inconvenience.
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If I may interject (I guess I don't really need permission, so piss off! 
).... I think what Dublin was getting at is that it is silly for another site to be upset about an article being C&P'ed over to BP.
I didn't read it as a comment about BP being "stupid".
).... I think what Dublin was getting at is that it is silly for another site to be upset about an article being C&P'ed over to BP. I didn't read it as a comment about BP being "stupid".
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Oh no, I didn't take it as being stupid at all. I just wasn't sure whether he meant a byproduct (historically) of us C&P'ing full articles with HTML enabled was that we ended up with someone else's shit (ads, cookies, etc.) on our own pages -- or if he meant that having to go elsewhere means having to deal with those.
Either way, both points have some meat to them. I guess my position is that summaries are a way to get the core information without having to read the whole article; and if one does want to read the whole thing, they can brave the wilds off of BP (I suggest "open link in new window").
There may well be a better way to handle all of this in the future, but for the time being, I think the 'new' method provides all the value of the old, without being seen as a pirate operation (yar), by those we might develop symbiotic relationships with.
Besides, even if the message was BP is stupid (and I don't think that's the case), that's cool too, because like my user title says, we're within reproach.
Either way, both points have some meat to them. I guess my position is that summaries are a way to get the core information without having to read the whole article; and if one does want to read the whole thing, they can brave the wilds off of BP (I suggest "open link in new window").
There may well be a better way to handle all of this in the future, but for the time being, I think the 'new' method provides all the value of the old, without being seen as a pirate operation (yar), by those we might develop symbiotic relationships with.
Besides, even if the message was BP is stupid (and I don't think that's the case), that's cool too, because like my user title says, we're within reproach.
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Oddly, this has been a timesaver for me.
When articles copied into BP have incorrect statements, I feel obligated to point out the mistakes that I notice. When the mistakes are only in a link on the original page, I feel no such compulsion.
When articles copied into BP have incorrect statements, I feel obligated to point out the mistakes that I notice. When the mistakes are only in a link on the original page, I feel no such compulsion.
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BuckeyeNation27;693908; said:
I need to find new ways to keep the post count high, like quoting dipshits.
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