Post-Game Recap (Penn State 2016)

1. Last night's game can be summarized in one word: Awful. The offense, the defense, the special teams, the play-calling, the execution, the intensity, the composure, the officiating, the scheduling, the weather, Kirk Herbstreit. All simply awful.

2. Conventional wisdom (or irrational hope) states that the Buckeyes needed a "learning experience" or a "wake-up call" or some sort of "teachable moment", and now that they've got one they'll be able to right the ship and cruise into the play-offs. Certainly something similar happened after bad losses in 2014 (Virginia Tech) and 2015 (Michigan State). Sometimes a loss is a good thing long term. Usually it's a warning sign.

3. Ohio State led the time of possession battle, 37:19 to 22:41. That's mainly because Penn State's three touchdown drives didn't consume very much time. Their first was 7 plays for 74 yards in 1:00; their second was 5 plays for 90 yards in 1:20; and their third was 0 plays for 60 yards in 0:00 (blocked FG).

4. Ohio State's defense was schizophrenic. They gave up two very long, quick strike touchdown drives in which Penn State averaged 13.7 yards per play (12 plays, 164 yards). However, on Penn State's eleven non-touchdown drives (not counting the kneel downs at the end), the defense held the Nittany Lions to 125 yards on 51 plays (2.45 average) and just three points on a short field goal after a blocked punt.

The defense held Penn State quarter back Trace McSorley to 8 of 23 passing, for 34.8 completion percentage. However, McSorley had 154 yards passing, for an average of 19.2 yards per completion. Four of McSorley's eight completions went for 20+ yards (20, 26, 34, 35).

The Buckeyes held Penn State to 2 of 13 (15.4%) on 3rd down conversions.

5. The game was lost midway through the third quarter. After a safety and free kick, Ohio State held a 21-7 lead with 8:19 left in the third quarter. The Buckeyes had the ball at their own 40-yard line, they had all the momentum, and the crowd was out of the game. Time to sweep the leg, right? Wrong! The Ohio State brain trust decided that a 14-point lead was just fine, thank you, and they immediately went into Tresselball mode. Well, Tresselball is a great strategy most times, but it simply doesn't work when your defense gives up a 5-play, 90-yard touchdown drive, and your special teams surrender a blocked punt and a blocked kick that lead to 10 points for the opposition.

Meyer and Company had a chance to go for the kill last night and they failed to do so. Another touchdown after the safety and it's ballgame. But they let the chump hang around, and everything bad that could possibly happen did actually happen and now it's one in the loss column.

6. Since 1997, Ohio State has a record of 203-48 (.809 winning percentage), which is the best among Power5 teams and second best in FBS (behind Boise State). Seven of those 48 losses have come against Penn State (1997, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2016), which is the most by an Buckeye opponent. During the same period, the Buckeyes have lost five times each to Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin; four times to Purdue (!); and three times to Illinois.

7. Of those seven losses to Penn State, four have been come-from-ahead meltdowns:

In 1997, Ohio State took a 27-17 with 1:20 left in the 3rd quarter. From that point forward, Penn State used a strong rushing attack (16 carries, 185 yards, 11.6 average, TDs of 26 and 51 yards) to score 14 unanswered points and win 31-27.

In 2001, Ohio State led 27-9 with 12:15 left in the 3rd quarter. Ohio State's remaining six drives netted a total of 96 yards and ended with three punts, a fumble, an interception, and a blocked field goal. Meanwhile, Penn State quarterback Zack Mills played out of his mind and well beyond his talent level, racking up 223 total yards (95 rushing, 128 passing) and 3 total touchdowns (69 yards run, passes of 14 and 26 yards) over the final 27 minutes of the game as Penn State scored 20 unanswered points for the win, 29-27.

In 2008, Ohio State led 6-3 with just under eleven minutes left in the game. On 3rd-and-1 from midfield, Buckeye quarterback Terrelle Pryor fumbled on a quarterback sneak and Penn State went on to score 10 unanswered points to win, 13-6.

And in 2016, Ohio State led 21-7 with 14:52 left in the game but thanks to erratic defense and shoddy special teams play, Penn State scored 17 unanswered points to win, 24-21.

So four losses, 61 unanswered points. Unreal.

8. Cameron Johnston is a great punter, maybe even an All American. But he should never be punting eight times in one game. Never.

9. Urban Meyer wants a team full of players who will choke you over a game of checkers. How about a team of players who won't choke under pressure?

 

ljb, i find you to be extremely difficult to follow on occasion. this is one of those occasions...

1. Last night's game can be summarized in one word: Awful. The offense, the defense, the special teams, the play-calling, the execution, the intensity, the composure, the officiating, the scheduling, the weather, Kirk Herbstreit. All simply awful.

2. Conventional wisdom (or irrational hope) states that the Buckeyes needed a "learning experience" or a "wake-up call" or some sort of "teachable moment", and now that they've got one they'll be able to right the ship and cruise into the play-offs. Certainly something similar happened after bad losses in 2014 (Virginia Tech) and 2015 (Michigan State). Sometimes a loss is a good thing long term. Usually it's a warning sign.

how about if we worry less about winning a national championship and more about winning out from here? these are still the exact same guys we were talking about how amazing they were after curb stomping ou in norman. same people... literally exact same people.

The defense held Penn State quarter back Trace McSorley to 8 of 23 passing, for 34.8 completion percentage. However, McSorley had 154 yards passing, for an average of 19.2 yards per completion. Four of McSorley's eight completions went for 20+ yards (20, 26, 34, 35).

The Buckeyes held Penn State to 2 of 13 (15.4%) on 3rd down conversions.

1. Last night's game can be summarized in one word: Awful. the defense. All simply awful.

5. The game was lost midway through the third quarter. After a safety and free kick, Ohio State held a 21-7 lead with 8:19 left in the third quarter. The Buckeyes had the ball at their own 40-yard line, they had all the momentum, and the crowd was out of the game. Time to sweep the leg, right? Wrong! The Ohio State brain trust decided that a 14-point lead was just fine, thank you, and they immediately went into Tresselball mode. Well, Tresselball is a great strategy most times, but it simply doesn't work when your defense gives up a 5-play, 90-yard touchdown drive, and your special teams surrender a blocked punt and a blocked kick that lead to 10 points for the opposition.

Meyer and Company had a chance to go for the kill last night and they failed to do so. Another touchdown after the safety and it's ballgame. But they let the chump hang around, and everything bad that could possibly happen did actually happen and now it's one in the loss column.

can you provide me with the play call(s) and time the play(s) were called that displayed an unwillingness of the offense to "go for the kill, but rather embrace tresselball"? curious where you saw this occur and why.

7. Of those seven losses to Penn State, four have been come-from-ahead meltdowns:

In 1997, Ohio State took a 27-17 with 1:20 left in the 3rd quarter. From that point forward, Penn State used a strong rushing attack (16 carries, 185 yards, 11.6 average, TDs of 26 and 51 yards) to score 14 unanswered points and win 31-27.

In 2001, Ohio State led 27-9 with 12:15 left in the 3rd quarter. Ohio State's remaining six drives netted a total of 96 yards and ended with three punts, a fumble, an interception, and a blocked field goal. Meanwhile, Penn State quarterback Zack Mills played out of his mind and well beyond his talent level, racking up 223 total yards (95 rushing, 128 passing) and 3 total touchdowns (69 yards run, passes of 14 and 26 yards) over the final 27 minutes of the game as Penn State scored 20 unanswered points for the win, 29-27.

In 2008, Ohio State led 6-3 with just under eleven minutes left in the game. On 3rd-and-1 from midfield, Buckeye quarterback Terrelle Pryor fumbled on a quarterback sneak and Penn State went on to score 10 unanswered points to win, 13-6.

And in 2016, Ohio State led 21-7 with 14:52 left in the game but thanks to erratic defense and shoddy special teams play, Penn State scored 17 unanswered points to win, 24-21.

So four losses, 61 unanswered points. Unreal.

seeing as how that time frame represents three different head coaches... im unsure on how this is much more than an interesting factoid. or are you trying to draw a link between these games somehow? does the link your searching for across all these years, coaching staffs and teams also include 20 straight wins on the road by chance?

8. Cameron Johnston is a great punter, maybe even an All American. But he should never be punting eight times in one game. Never.

can't imagine that using the punter ever is plan A for the offense. but i doubt many staffs (and likely 0 overly successful ones) have some form of hard rule on how many punts is acceptable in a game.

9. Urban Meyer wants a team full of players who will choke you over a game of checkers. How about a team of player who won't choke under pressure?

so just for the players alone you have questioned every member of the teams individual execution, intensity, composure and now whether they will simply choke under pressure? in fact, the way i read that it sounds like you are inferring that they are exactly the type of individual that will choke under pressure.

thats uh... thats something right there...

 

ljb, i find you to be extremely difficult to follow on occasion. this is one of those occasions....

I'm sorry if my articles lack lucidity. I will try to do better in the future.

We are always looking for writers to supplement the current staff (basically just me at tho point). If you'd like to try your hand at post-game analysis, send me a PM.

 

Meyer and Company had a chance to go for the kill last night and they failed to do so. Another touchdown after the safety and it's ballgame. But they let the chump hang around, and everything bad that could possibly happen did actually happen and now it's one in the loss column.

And this is the point that is the most perplexing for me. I have always considered Meyer a don't stop beating you until the gun. Choke/Checkers analogy. But to just button it up with so much time left, on the road, and after seeing P$U (see, I can do it too, Pedsters) score 2 TDs in a short amount of time...well...I have no words.

 

He did the same thing two years ago at PSU after the Barrett pick 6. I know circumstances were different in that game but it was the same approach and it nearly cost us that game as well.

 

I actually don't mind grinding it out in the third quarter. Unfortunately, we weren't handing the ball off to Samuel at all, and instead relied on Weber and JT. I like Weber as a running back, he's gets it done, but I don't understand the Samuel thing at all. And, for the record, I've never liked the QB running more than 10 times thing. Yes, it works, but it costs a lot in the long run. 17 rushes for JT, and 2 for Samuel? I'll never be a fan of it, even when it "works".

 

1. Last night's game can be summarized in one word: Awful. The offense, the defense, the special teams, the play-calling, the execution, the intensity, the composure, the officiating, the scheduling, the weather, Kirk Herbstreit. All simply awful.

2. Conventional wisdom (or irrational hope) states that the Buckeyes needed a "learning experience" or a "wake-up call" or some sort of "teachable moment", and now that they've got one they'll be able to right the ship and cruise into the play-offs. Certainly something similar happened after bad losses in 2014 (Virginia Tech) and 2015 (Michigan State). Sometimes a loss is a good thing long term. Usually it's a warning sign.

3. Ohio State led the time of possession battle, 37:19 to 22:41. That's mainly because Penn State's three touchdown drives didn't consume very much time. Their first was 7 plays for 74 yards in 1:00; their second was 5 plays for 90 yards in 1:20; and their third was 0 plays for 60 yards in 0:00 (blocked FG).

4. Ohio State's defense was schizophrenic. They gave up two very long, quick strike touchdown drives in which Penn State averaged 13.7 yards per play (12 plays, 164 yards). However, on Penn State's eleven non-touchdown drives (not counting the kneel downs at the end), the defense held the Nittany Lions to 125 yards on 51 plays (2.45 average) and just three points on a short field after a blocked punt.

The defense held Penn State quarter back Trace McSorley to 8 of 23 passing, for 34.8 completion percentage. However, McSorley had 154 yards passing, for an average of 19.2 yards per completion. Four of McSorley's eight completions went for 20+ yards (20, 26, 34, 35).

The Buckeyes held Penn State to 2 of 13 (15.4%) on 3rd down conversions.

5. The game was lost midway through the third quarter. After a safety and free kick, Ohio State held a 21-7 lead with 8:19 left in the third quarter. The Buckeyes had the ball at their own 40-yard line, they had all the momentum, and the crowd was out of the game. Time to sweep the leg, right? Wrong! The Ohio State brain trust decided that a 14-point lead was just fine, thank you, and they immediately went into Tresselball mode. Well, Tresselball is a great strategy most times, but it simply doesn't work when your defense gives up a 5-play, 90-yard touchdown drive, and your special teams surrender a blocked punt and a blocked kick that lead to 10 points for the opposition.

Meyer and Company had a chance to go for the kill last night and they failed to do so. Another touchdown after the safety and it's ballgame. But they let the chump hang around, and everything bad that could possibly happen did actually happen and now it's one in the loss column.

6. Since 1997, Ohio State has a record of 203-48 (.809 winning percentage), which is the best among Power5 teams and second best in FBS (behind Boise State). Seven of those 48 losses have come against Penn State (1997, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2016), which is the most by an Buckeye opponent. During the same period, the Buckeyes have lost five times each to Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin; four times to Purdue (!); and three times to Illinois.

7. Of those seven losses to Penn State, four have been come-from-ahead meltdowns:

In 1997, Ohio State took a 27-17 with 1:20 left in the 3rd quarter. From that point forward, Penn State used a strong rushing attack (16 carries, 185 yards, 11.6 average, TDs of 26 and 51 yards) to score 14 unanswered points and win 31-27.

In 2001, Ohio State led 27-9 with 12:15 left in the 3rd quarter. Ohio State's remaining six drives netted a total of 96 yards and ended with three punts, a fumble, an interception, and a blocked field goal. Meanwhile, Penn State quarterback Zack Mills played out of his mind and well beyond his talent level, racking up 223 total yards (95 rushing, 128 passing) and 3 total touchdowns (69 yards run, passes of 14 and 26 yards) over the final 27 minutes of the game as Penn State scored 20 unanswered points for the win, 29-27.

In 2008, Ohio State led 6-3 with just under eleven minutes left in the game. On 3rd-and-1 from midfield, Buckeye quarterback Terrelle Pryor fumbled on a quarterback sneak and Penn State went on to score 10 unanswered points to win, 13-6.

And in 2016, Ohio State led 21-7 with 14:52 left in the game but thanks to erratic defense and shoddy special teams play, Penn State scored 17 unanswered points to win, 24-21.

So four losses, 61 unanswered points. Unreal.

8. Cameron Johnston is a great punter, maybe even an All American. But he should never be punting eight times in one game. Never.

9. Urban Meyer wants a team full of players who will choke you over a game of checkers. How about a team of player who won't choke under pressure?

 

Was it me or did JT look slow? And not, slow as in he was thinking things through, but like someone told him to be particularly careful? Maybe I'm not explaining myself well. He just looked hesitant. Maybe out of frustration, but seemed like someone or something scared him into being too cautious. As if he, for the first time, was afraid of getting hurt. I understand this is a concern for most fans...but for the first time seemed as if JT JUST figured this out, too.

Also, I noticed he spent half the time before the snap seemingly talking to each individual player. No one was on the same page and he was out there coaching every player, getting them in line.

 

I'm sorry if my articles lack lucidity. I will try to do better in the future.

We are always looking for writers to supplement the current staff (basically just me at tho point). If you'd like to try your hand at post-game analysis, send me a PM.

lucidity isn't what strikes me, its the panic. it perplexes me to see a significant portion of a fan base to be literally up in arms irate at a time like we find ourselves in currently. sure we lost to penn state. and its absolutely true that there are few schools i would prefer to not see my bucks loose to. but the idea that this team, a team this young across the board, if they were to go on and win the nc this year... it would be a far greater feat than what was accomplished in 2014 in my mind. which may have actually been the single greatest achievement as a team and staff in the history of college football.

the success we have seen over the last two coaching staffs, the teams they have put on the field, the success over our rival and the amount of very young talent we have now. so many here are filled with frustration. i find myself disappointed in last weekends result, sure. but really i find myself filled almost exclusively with pride and a sense that the best is only yet to come.

also of note, you don't owe me an apology on any level. you don't owe me anything. but don't give up on this team and what they can achieve just yet.

 

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