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Police, kids, immitation and lawyers

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cincibuck

cincibuck

You kids stay off my lawn!
Page one of the Cincinnati Enquirer featured a photo of woman and her son. She must have just read about the Florida case where police were sued for putting a misbehaving child in handcuffs because she's now suing the city, the bus company and anyone else with deep pockets and proximity to the case. Her child was 'cuffed by two of Cincinnati's finest back in January after an altercation on a school bus. A local lawyer must have been following the news and saw a potential jackpot at the end of the rainbow.

My second year of teaching (1977) I had a "wild child" in my 1st grade class. I caught him backing a kid down by holding a pencil inches from his face and screaming, "You do that to me again and I'll shove this right up your nose!" The year before (as a kindergartner, he'd been expelled from the bus for pulling the metal strip out of a ruler and trying it out as a garrot on the kid in the seat in front of him. (and this in scenic, upwardly-mobile Anderson) I'd be willing to bet that he's now in Lucasville.

From this experience I know that there are times when you'd like to see the police step in, but handcuffs? That seems a bit over the top to me. Or, if you're going to use handcuffs, why not put them where they belong; on the parent(s)?
 
cincibuck said:
My second year of teaching (1977) I had a "wild child" in my 1st grade class. I caught him backing a kid down by holding a pencil inches from his face and screaming, "You do that to me again and I'll shove this right up your nose!" The year before (as a kindergartner, he'd been expelled from the bus for pulling the metal strip out of a ruler and trying it out as a garrot on the kid in the seat in front of him. (and this in scenic, upwardly-mobile Anderson) I'd be willing to bet that he's now in Lucasville.

From this experience I know that there are times when you'd like to see the police step in, but handcuffs? That seems a bit over the top to me. Or, if you're going to use handcuffs, why not put them where they belong; on the parent(s)?
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I see nothing wrong with placing handcuffs on children as long as they are not physically harmed. If my kid acted as the one you tell about, I would gladly let the cops do it. However, I would hope that I had addressed such behavioral issues long before that was necessary.
 
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Certainly does seem over the top... but I saw the video of that kid in Fla... I think the police who did that have a VERY valid argument that they cuffed that girl for her own protection... What if she had hurt herself flying around the room like a lunatic and they did nothing to stop her? (probably only cuffed her because they didn't have a youth size small straightjacket) AND... if you can't grab touch or other wise punish/restrain them corporally... I don't see where the guidance Counselor (I think it was in the counselors office) had any ohter choice, and neither did the police.

Now... I do think that it is incumbent on teachers to assert control over the classroom and the students, but there are always going to be these extreme cases...

As far as putting the parent's in handcuffs... well... its an easy call, usually... The Apple don't fall too far from the tree, does it?
 
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The problem that Cincy is still running into is people still think that they can do what ever they want and if the police challange you, just sue them. Ever since the riots down there the police have really had there hands tied.
 
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With that situation in FL, no matter what the school did, they were going to get sued. IF the teacher had acted the way she should have and restrained the child, they would have been sued anyway.

I have one son w/ behavioral problems (he's been diagnosed as bi-polar, but now they say he's not) who has lost control at least a half-dozen times, and if there was a video of me restrainig him, many people, not knowing the situation, might say that it was child abuse. But every time I have restrained him, after about 15-20 minutes he wears out and goes back to his normal self. He doesn't get hurt, he doesn't hurt anyone else, and then we can address the situation while he is not in an agitated state.
People need to understand that you cannot reason with a child the way you might with an adult. And when a child is in the state like that little girl in FL, you definitely can't reason or "talk" them out of it. they need to be restrained until their state of mind has calmed down, then you can communicate with them.
Just another instance of the parent thinking that everything their child does is someone else's fault
 
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Any type of physical restraint is a difficult subject in a school. We have an SRO (Student Resource Officer) on staff full-time, but there are plenty of situations that need immediate intervention...and I am not one to watch something happen without getting involved. I see kids taken out in cuffs every few weeks for various conflicts and I've also seen the type of kid NMDad describes. We had a 150 pound ball of lightning break away from the SRO and a coach before two of us had to basically tackle him and squeeze the breath out of him...it is a scary scene sometimes.

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Just another instance of the parent thinking that everything their child does is someone else's fault
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That's the key...when I got in trouble at school, I was afraid of the Principal, but I was more afraid of going home. That fear of consequence doesn't exist anymore.
 
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My eighth grade class was pretty poorly behaved, without anyone being violent. But we tested the limits, and our first couple of teachers, and about 20 susbstitute teachers who refused to return, weren't able to control the class (of about 50 in a parochial school). Then they gave the job to a young guy who laid down the law, including the use of a frat paddle that left some welts on my young ass. He took charge and we were all better off because of it.

But if he tried the paddling now, he'd get sued and/or fired. Ahh, progress!
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
But if he tried the paddling now, he'd get sued and/or fired. Ahh, progress!
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I completely agree with you I'm still young but when I was growing up my parents would give me a good ol' fashioned paddlin when I got out of line. I know I kept me from doing alot of stupid stuff when I was in school because when I got home I knew what was coming.

Now we have to many people saynig it's not right for a parent to Beat thier kids and I agree you shouldn't beat your kids but giving them a good spanking once in a while to keep them in line is fair game in my ball park
 
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