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Pete Rose (Charlie Hustle, 4256, Reds HOF, R.I.P.)

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I enjoyed the stories Pete was telling in the booth the other night in LA. I really think he is one of the most knowledgeable baseball players still alive today. Wether he bet on baseball or not, I really dont care. The guy was one of the best players in history and thats the way I'm going to remember him.
 
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Bestbuck36;1172175; said:
I enjoyed the stories Pete was telling in the booth the other night in LA. I really think he is one of the most knowledgeable baseball players still alive today. Wether he bet on baseball or not, I really dont care. The guy was one of the best players in history and thats the way I'm going to remember him.
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I'll defer to Bill James comments on Rose, that the thing I remember about him was just being "Charlie Hustle." He ran from the dugout to the on deck circle. He ran from the on deck circle to the batters box. He ran from home to 1st regardless if he got a hit, drew a walk, or whatever. And when he was done, he ran back to the dugout. He did everything 110%.

Forget all the other ancillary crap about his character and off field issues. That's how I want my son to play baseball. Problem is, today, I can't point at any player and say, that's who you need to emulate. There aren't any players wired like Pete Rose anymore.

I'm coaching a coach-pitch little league team this year with a friend of mine. We've got 17 kids between the ages of 6-8. Maybe two or three of them run to first, and through first, after they make contact. All the other kids wait to see if its fair or foul, pull up, or just give up, if they think they're going to get thrown out. That just pisses me off to no end.
 
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Forget all the other ancillary crap about his character and off field issues. That's how I want my son to play baseball. Problem is, today, I can't point at any player and say, that's who you need to emulate. There aren't any players wired like Pete Rose anymore.
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Find some youtube footage of 'Psycho T' playing baseball. I'm guessing he probably flattens the first basemen :P
 
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Dryden;1172332; said:
I'll defer to Bill James comments on Rose, that the thing I remember about him was just being "Charlie Hustle." He ran from the dugout to the on deck circle. He ran from the on deck circle to the batters box. He ran from home to 1st regardless if he got a hit, drew a walk, or whatever. And when he was done, he ran back to the dugout. He did everything 110%.

Forget all the other ancillary crap about his character and off field issues. That's how I want my son to play baseball. Problem is, today, I can't point at any player and say, that's who you need to emulate. There aren't any players wired like Pete Rose anymore.

I'm coaching a coach-pitch little league team this year with a friend of mine. We've got 17 kids between the ages of 6-8. Maybe two or three of them run to first, and through first, after they make contact. All the other kids wait to see if its fair or foul, pull up, or just give up, if they think they're going to get thrown out. That just pisses me off to no end.
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Thats a rough age group to coach - if they were a little older there is a very easy way to fix that problem..

The first 25 seconds..
[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQvt1JFFHxg]YouTube - Cable Guy playin' basketball[/ame]
 
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Dryden;1172332; said:
I'll defer to Bill James comments on Rose, that the thing I remember about him was just being "Charlie Hustle." He ran from the dugout to the on deck circle. He ran from the on deck circle to the batters box. He ran from home to 1st regardless if he got a hit, drew a walk, or whatever. And when he was done, he ran back to the dugout. He did everything 110%.

Forget all the other ancillary crap about his character and off field issues. That's how I want my son to play baseball. Problem is, today, I can't point at any player and say, that's who you need to emulate. There aren't any players wired like Pete Rose anymore.

I'm coaching a coach-pitch little league team this year with a friend of mine. We've got 17 kids between the ages of 6-8. Maybe two or three of them run to first, and through first, after they make contact. All the other kids wait to see if its fair or foul, pull up, or just give up, if they think they're going to get thrown out. That just pisses me off to no end.
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How about Ryan Freel? Don't show them any footage of him deciding when to run, just show him running.

Man, I wish Dusty Baker would start him in left field already. :sad2:
 
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Bud Selig considering lifting ban on Pete Rose

NY Daily News

COOPERSTOWN - Thanks to the behind-the-scenes lobbying from some of the most influential Hall of Famers, commissioner Bud Selig is said to be seriously considering lifting Pete Rose's lifetime suspension from baseball.
The tip-off that Selig may now be inclined to pardon baseball's all-time hit king was Hank Aaron's seemingly impromptu interview session with a small group of reporters in the lobby of the Otesaga Hotel on Saturday. In declaring for the first time that he would want an asterisk put on the achievements of any steroid cheats elected to the Hall of Fame, Aaron brought up Rose, who, in August of 1989, was given a lifetime ban for gambling on baseball, saying: "I would like to see Pete in. He belongs there."
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Good News for Charlie Hustle, I hope he gets reinstated.
 
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I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, Rose bet on sports. He bet on baseball. He admitted betting on, but not against, the Reds. That tells me that no matter how much he meant to baseball in his era, he doesn't belong in the Hall of Game.

On the other hand, if Rose doesn't belong there, then none of these steroid junkie, corked-bat, smoke and mirrors wonders from the last decade belongs there either. McGuire cheated. Sosa cheated. Bonds cheated...etc. And, they did it on the field.

If those guys get in, then Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame.
 
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Steve19;1505329; said:
I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, Rose bet on sports. He bet on baseball. He admitted betting on, but not against, the Reds. That tells me that no matter how much he meant to baseball in his era, he doesn't belong in the Hall of Game.
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Before the steroid scandals of the late 90s and 2000s, the biggest no-no in baseball was gambling on the game IN ANY WAY. Rose broke the cardinal rule and he knew it when he did it.

On the other hand, if Rose doesn't belong there, then none of these steroid junkie, corked-bat, smoke and mirrors wonders from the last decade belongs there either. McGuire cheated. Sosa cheated. Bonds cheated...etc. And, they did it on the field.

If those guys get in, then Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame.
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Agreed, although I doubt any of those 3 get in. The interesting case will be ARoid IMO.
 
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If there is anyone player that deserves to be in the Hall it is Pete Rose - THE PLAYER. When he played, he played the game with the love and drive that very few players have ever shown. The dates on his profile should reflect his time as a player only. Not his time as a manger.

For those of you that only look at what happened as a manager (Post-player days) should go back into the vault and see Pete for the type of player he was. Very few players in the history of the game have rivaled his intensity, hustle, toughness, and love for the game. IMO, is not a player today that even comes close to the type of player that Pete was.

I do not condone what Pete the manager may have done or did. But as one of the greatest who ever played the game he does deserve to be in the Hall because of his accomplishments on the field.

Games / PA / AB / R / H / 2B / 3B / HR / RBI / SB / BB / SO / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS
3562 / 15861/ 14053 / 2165/ 4256/ 746/ 135 / 160 / 1314 / 149/ 1566/1143/ .303/.375/.409 / .784

Awards:
Rookie of the Year (1963)
MVP: 1 MVP (1973)
All-Star: 17 Time All-Star
Team Mate won MVP: 1970 (Bench); 1972 (Bench); 1975 (Morgan); 1976 (Morgan); 1977 (Foster); 1980-81 (Schmidt)

Postseason: BA .321

Div Titles: 6
WS Titles: 3

.987 career fielding %
 
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Ttown;1505307; said:
He doesn't belong there, He broke the rules , screw him.
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The Hall already has a good number of notable cheats, racists, gamblors, womanizers, alcoholics, and so on.

It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Role Models or Hall of Great Stats. Pete Rose is nothing if not one of the most famous, polarizing figures in baseball over the past 50 years. He's served his time. Let him in and have the opportunity to enjoy the moment before he's dead.

Not one person is honestly going to think that Rose's inclusion diminishes the already overcrowded, laughable crop of nobodies and marginally talented players the Veterans Committee has already snuck in there. Besides, Rose's HoF induction ceremony will be the most widely attended, critiqued, and broadcasted HoF induction ceremony in history. It would be a media bonanza for Bud, and a nice olive branch on his way out the door as one of the most idiotic, ineffective commishes the sport has had.
 
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This coming from a life-long Reds fan....Pete was one of my favorites growing up....but.....my vote is for waiting until his stupid ass is dead before inducting him. He has shown zero remorse. Any concessions he has made have been self-serving. Fuck him in his lifetime.
 
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If he would have waited 6 years after his career before he started managing, he would have been a first-ballot HOF'er, and I don't think they would have kicked him out for what he did later. Waiting 20 years is more than enough. IMO, a steroid user is a worse offender.

If Rose would have thrown games, I'd feel differently. Hell, Ty Cobb was accused of fixing a game (and was probably guilty of it - he retired right after the accusation came out), and he's a charter member of the HOF.

But I'm very tired of the topic.
 
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This coming from a life-long Reds fan....Pete was one of my favorites growing up....but.....my vote is for waiting until his stupid ass is dead before inducting him. He has shown zero remorse. Any concessions he has made have been self-serving. Fuck him in his lifetime.
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The Hall of Fame without Pete is a sham. He was the very definition of what it means to be a baseball player. But he f'd up.

You give it to him when he gets on his knees or in his coffin.
 
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