• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Pac 10 Overrated?

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
exactly... in any given season, Fresno=Miami, not freaking TEXAS...

two years ago, Miami was by far the best mid major... this year, it's Fresno's turn... but the fact still remains that Fresno is a mid major, and most likely will never experience the kind of success that a school like Texas has...

oh, and Methomps, just a little reminder that the school who has the longest current run of consecutive 9+ win seasons is the University of Texas... i believe this makes 5 years in a row with 10 wins for them... as a point of reference, in all their storied history, USC has never matched that feat...

though next year they could...
 
Upvote 0
buckeyeboy said:
And it proved how mediocre the rest of the Pac-10 is every year besides USC.
Click to expand...

Ok, the conference is bad always and forever because Cal lost to Texas Tech

Equating Fresno St. with UT is a joke. I'd say we scheduled one tough game, one mediocre game (Miami), and one lesser game. Oregon scheduled one slightly above mediocre game (Fresno), and two lesser games.
Click to expand...

So a 4-loss non-BCS team is 'mediocre' and #16 team in the country is "slightly above mediocre"? :lol:

oh, and Methomps, just a little reminder that the school who has the longest current run of consecutive 9+ win seasons is the University of Texas... i believe this makes 5 years in a row with 10 wins for them... as a point of reference, in all their storied history, USC has never matched that feat...
Click to expand...

That Texas Trophy Case is getting pretty full

The Texas Trophy Case (got this from the Sooners)
------------------------
Recruiting Champs 2000
Recruiting Champs 2001
BigXII South Champs 2001
BigXII 2nd place champs 2001
BigXII South Co-Champs 2002
Cotton Bowl Champs 2002
First Half Champs (Vs OU) 2002
2-Loss Champs (Best 2 loss team) 2002
2nd Place Champs-Holiday Bowl 2003
State of Texas Champs (Beat Baylor, aTm, TxTech) 2003
BigXII South 2nd Place Champs 2003
The AP Poll Pre-Season Team of the Decade (Highest Avg Pre-Season Ranking 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
More consecutive 10-win seasons than USC Champs
 
Upvote 0
methomps said:
So a 4-loss non-BCS team is 'mediocre' and #16 team in the country is "slightly above mediocre"? :lol:
Click to expand...
yes. in any given season. Fresno and Miami are mid majors. there's no way to deny it. just because Fresno is having a relatively good season, and Miami is having a relatively bad one doesn't change the fact that you are trying to equate FUCKING FRESNO STATE with one the TOP FIVE ALL TIME PROGRAMS.

are you REALLY that big of a homer? do you REALLY think that they compare? my respect for your opinon is dropping like the Hindenburg...

the fact of the matter is that Fresno is good. but they aren't any where near top flight. they have played the Big Boys twice this season, and they lost twice... a couple years ago, Miami finished the season in the top ten. they played the Big Boys once that year. they lost too.

Texas plays Big Boy Football. Fresno doesn't. neither does Miami.

i'm a little amused by your weak arguement... i realize that your opinion of Fresno is inflated due to the fact that they played your team tough. but that shit doesn't matter. your D still sucks, and you still needed one of the greatest performances in the history of the game to pull out a win. Fresno is good, but they aren't THAT good. there record against the Big Programs indicates it.

please stop.
 
Upvote 0
lvbuckeye said:
i'm a little amused by your weak arguement... i realize that your opinion of Fresno is inflated due to the fact that they played your team tough. but that shit doesn't matter. your D still sucks, and you still needed one of the greatest performances in the history of the game to pull out a win. Fresno is good, but they aren't THAT good. there record against the Big Programs indicates it.

please stop.
Click to expand...

They also need refs to continually miss holding/clipping calls every drive, especially on Bush returns... USC easily gets almost every call and no call a head coach can dream of.
 
Upvote 0
osugrad21 said:
Considering the Big 10 and Pac 10 are tied 8-8 in bowl games since 1994...I'm not sure they are overrated. That is of course, unless you consider the Big 10 overrated as well.
Click to expand...
no, methomps already told us theres a problem with using the bowl games as a conference strength indicator.
 
Upvote 0
I'm not sure what 16 games spread across 11+ years tells anyone...

The Pac-10 used to be very strong, with teams like Washington, UCLA and others being pretty good schools. Now who is left besides USC?

OSU's regular success somewhat compares with USC. We'll give USC the obvious nod for the last few years.

Who compares with Michigan?

I don't think you have to go thru the rest of the conference matchups, b/c I think both have a league full of teams that can beat you if you aren't awake (obviously IU/ILL & others don't apply here).

I see no comparison in anyway to Michigan from a 2nd-best team in the pac10.
 
Upvote 0
jwinslow said:
I'm not sure what 16 games spread across 11+ years tells anyone....
Click to expand...
Well, he said the Pac 10 has been overrated LATELY. Therefore, 11 years is give or take, somewhat lately...

In head to head matchups over those "lately" 11 years, the two conferences have split the games.

So if one is overrated...what would that make the other?

Got me now?

jwinslow said:
Now who is left besides USC?
Click to expand...
Oregon
 
Upvote 0
I've got you now (I must have missed that comment from him a few pages back)... I probably would have still made the same argument. It's clearly based on homerism and bias, and therefore possibly undeserved respect for UM and others.

even with your point, I don't think the performance of 16 random bowl games across an 11 year span tells you anything. If NW & MSU face the pac 10 a combined 5 times and OSU/Wisky do so 2 times... you might not get an accurate sampling. I'm not sure there is anyway to properly judge the two conferences, unless both face tough OOC opponents regularly.

that last sentence sort of agrees with yours, but instead my homeristic brain recognizes it as rationale for why your argument doesn't break down my bias. :)
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
jwinslow said:
even with your point, I don't think the performance of 16 random bowl games across an 11 year span tells you anything.
Click to expand...
Until the creation of the BCS, 1998 I believe, the conference champs met(worked out until 2001). The best of the conference...I'd say that is a fair matchup regardless of who plays. I know the B10 had the "most recent" rule and sometimes that kept a certain team out, but still the team that was sent had to do pretty darn well to get there. Likewise, a mediocre bowl contains mediocre teams. If a mediocre B10 team meets a mediocre Pac10 team...why wuldn't that be a fair assessment?

The same way B10 fans view teams like NW, MSU, Purdue as solid teams that are actual threats...Pac 10 fans feel the same way about ASU, Arizona, and WSU. UCLA and Oregon both put together very solid teams on occasion...maybe not to Michigan's frequency, but still respectable programs.

edit: grammar
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
lvbuckeye said:
exactly... in any given season, Fresno=Miami, not freaking TEXAS...

two years ago, Miami was by far the best mid major... this year, it's Fresno's turn... but the fact still remains that Fresno is a mid major, and most likely will never experience the kind of success that a school like Texas has...
Click to expand...

LV, that's a pretty sound assessment. Here are the Marsee power ratings for both teams the last ten years. Their average ranks are dead even. Also, although Miami Ohio is somewhat down this year, their current ranking, before beating Ohio, is better than Fresno State in six of the last ten years.

Marsee historic power ratings
Year Fresno St Miami Ohio
1996 81 52
1997 60 21
1998 61 23
1999 42 49
2000 46 77
2001 13 49
2002 61 59
2003 56 4
2004 11 58
2005 12 44
Avg 44 44
 
Upvote 0
osugrad21 said:
Considering the Big 10 and Pac 10 are tied 8-8 in bowl games since 1994...I'm not sure they are overrated. That is of course, unless you consider the Big 10 overrated as well.
Click to expand...
you are forgetting that in three of those Bowl Games, the Big Ten #5 seed was matched up against the Pac Ten #3 seed, and in three of those Bowl Games, the Big Ten #6(!) seed was matched up against the Pac Ten #3... considering the disparity of the seeds, and the fact that EVERY one of those Bowl Games takes place in Pac Ten territory ('03 Orange Bowl aside), i'd say that the Big Ten has performed quite respectably... the decks are stacked against the Big Ten, yet they still are .500... that's the sign of a better conference.
 
Upvote 0
Steve19 said:
LV, that's a pretty sound assessment. Here are the Marsee power ratings for both teams the last ten years. Their average ranks are dead even. Also, although Miami Ohio is somewhat down this year, their current ranking, before beating Ohio, is better than Fresno State in six of the last ten years.

Marsee historic power ratings
Year Fresno St Miami Ohio
1996 81 52
1997 60 21
1998 61 23
1999 42 49
2000 46 77
2001 13 49
2002 61 59
2003 56 4
2004 11 58
2005 12 44
Avg 44 44
Click to expand...
thank you very much... have some emeralds...

kind of funny that the Redhawks are 7-4, with one of those losses being to a top ten team, and it's considered a 'down' year, huh?
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top