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Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

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osugrad21;1874086; said:
4 early enrollees...3 guaranteed non-qualifiers with up to 6.
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Which would make a max of 25 kids actually enrolled in the Fall of 2011 and credited to the 2011 signing class (4 were EEs credited back to 2010) - or a minimum of 22 athletes actually enrolling and potentially playing who are counted in the 2011 signing class - if I'm getting what you mean Grad.

To be clear, that is a Gamecock Class of anywhere from 22 - 25 actual enrollees for recruiting year 2011 when the smoke clears???
 
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Gatorubet;1874089; said:
Which would make a max of 25 kids actually enrolled in the Fall of 2011 and credited to the 2011 signing class (4 were EEs credited back to 2010) - or a minimum of 22 athletes actually enrolling and potentially playing who are counted in the 2011 signing class - if I'm getting what you mean Grad.

To be clear, that is a Gamecock Class of anywhere from 22 - 25 actual enrollees for recruiting year 2011 when the smoke clears???
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Yessir. Correct.
 
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Here is a breakdown of SCar's scholarship totals:
http://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1017&CID=646864

In the TIFWIW dept http://oversigningnotes.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/south-carolinas-march-to-85-has-begun/
To save a spot for Clowney and sign Atlanta-area linebacker Cedrick Cooper on Wednesday, the Gamecocks were forced to ask two recruits to wait to sign letters of intent. Atlanta-area defensive end Lorenzo Mauldin and Florida linebacker Jordan Montgomery have both been asked to hold off until the summer, when spots will likely become open because of prep school placements.

But Mauldin and Montgomery each have their own academic issues, a source said. Additionally, Montgomery has a knee injury that needs an MRI exam. The players were told all along that in-state players would be treated preferentially, so as to maintain good relationships with those schools.
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Gatorubet said:
Which would make a max of 25 kids actually enrolled in the Fall of 2011 and credited to the 2011 signing class (4 were EEs credited back to 2010) - or a minimum of 22 athletes actually enrolling and potentially playing who are counted in the 2011 signing class - if I'm getting what you mean Grad.

To be clear, that is a Gamecock Class of anywhere from 22 - 25 actual enrollees for recruiting year 2011 when the smoke clears???
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So they nominally credited four kids back to 2010 and still signed "25." How much you wanna bet they find a way to credit some 2012 kids back to this 2011 class? How exactly would they do that, when that would put them over the 25 limit? How many were officially part of the 2010 class, now that four are being backdated back to 2010?
 
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jwinslow;1874099; said:
it's been a long day, those numbers were out of whack. edited.

the individual class total will likely be fine, but they are still 4 over before the non qualifiers.
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Potato potatoe :p thing.

I'd say unless they were qualified they should never have been considered a part of the class. Again, the difference is in knowing that they are not going to qualfy and hoping that they might get lucky and some not make their grades. The former is a great big nothing - the latter is in fact playing with the kids career.

Including the entire 32 in a total of how many players SC signs compared to - say - tOSU, and then seeing on Oversigning.com "See...they sign six more guys a year than we do - that's 24 more athletes over four years!" is what annoys me the Hell out of me.

When the smoke clears both programs will have 22-28 guys. The guys who did not make it won't help either program, although some guy placed in JUCO may still feel fondly about the Cocks and sign with them next year.

Now, maybe I am wrong about this, but could somebody tell me if the Big-10 includes the EE guys counting back to the previous class as part of the "three over" limit - or does the "three over limit" not include the EEs, and only include the numbers of extra spots available because of leaving early for the draft, injury, and quitting? Where can the three extra guys be applied in the Big-10 - to both EE and drop out spots, or only to drop out spots?

If the Big-10 does not allow more than three EEs to be counted to the prior year's class, then SC gains an extra player if they can place four of their guys in theor 2010 roster, and you are limited to three.
 
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When the smoke clears both programs will have 22-28 guys.
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When the smoke clears next year, OSU will have a class of 18ish because of limited scholarships. Meanwhile when Bama has even fewer available scholarships, they try to haul in 25+.

South Carolina was not stopping at 32, that just happened to be how many they landed. There were others that chose to head elsewhere on signing day. They did not oversign as badly as Bama usually does, however, and are lurking within the proximity of their scholarship limits given the lack of qualifiers.

That said, 6 kids not qualifying in a class is not how Alabama keeps magically finding 10 scholarship spots under the tree. The non qualifier totals for them are much, much lower than that, and yet they are oversigning at far higher rates than the rest.
Now, maybe I am wrong about this, but could somebody tell me if the Big-10 includes the EE guys counting back to the previous class as part of the "three over" limit - or does the "three over limit" not include the EEs, and only include the numbers of extra spots available because of leaving early for the draft, injury, and quitting? Where can the three extra guys be applied in the Big-10 - to both EE and drop out spots, or only to drop out spots?
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EE work the same in every conference AFAIK. The 3-over is to allow OSU to be at 88 scholarships in February as long as they're at 85 in August, though they have to provide documentation.
 
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btw gator, I've finally moved into the new place, so other than some consistent packing, I finally have some time to continue those spreadsheet projects to breakdown who/when/what for each school.
 
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Urban stirring shit now that he left.
Gatorubet;1874085; said:
"What I've seen the last five years is a complete turn in the integrity of the college coaching profession,"
Meyer said. "It's completely turned the other way. Right now, it's not good because the risk-reward is
'have at it, do what you've got to do get the great player, go win games and at the end of the day we'll
find out what happens down the road.."
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My take is that he is going after Nick and the Aubies, although we are hearing stuff about the astonishing turn around of FSU. But as he could just as well be talking about oversigning as Cam Newton, I thought I'd post it again.
 
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jwinslow;1874135; said:
btw gator, I've finally moved into the new place, so other than some consistent packing, I finally have some time to continue those spreadsheet projects to breakdown who/when/what for each school.
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[gator]I don't care what numbers you have or what some parent or kids says, we all know that every instance of oversigning is really the school taking the kid and sending him to a friendly JUCO. There is no on field advantage to oversigning[gator]
 
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Gatorubet;1874137; said:
Urban stirring shit now that he left.


My take is that he is going after Nick and the Aubies, although we are hearing stuff about the astonishing turn around of FSU. But as he could just as well be talking about oversigning as Cam Newton, I thought I'd post it again.
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It's probably because the circles he coached in got a bad reputation for no reason. :p
 
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OSU_D/;1874140; said:
[gator]I don't care what numbers you have or what some parent or kids says, we all know that every instance of oversigning is really the school taking the kid and sending him to a friendly JUCO. There is no on field advantage to oversigning[gator]
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Other than Saban and Chizik lying like whores you mean? :p

My gig is that they are not all lying scum. Most aren't. Some may be. Nick certainly is, and Les was an ass not to tell the LSU QB before he got the letter, but from what I have seen in this state that has been more the exception than the norm.

I just never got excited about the Ole Ball Coach signing that many like y'all go on about. I think Steve is a pretty straight shooter. And he was just a few years ahead of me at my fraternity, so I have to defend Brother Spurrier. :wink2:
 
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