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OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

If only I were more like buckguy, then I would know Cremo's state of mind and how he perceives OSU's tourney chances. Can't be any chance that is just a guess. The popular opinion is always right in college basketball, that's why filling out brackets is so easy. Props to Cremo for already knowing exactly how good each team will be as well.

PS, the idea that the popular "unbiased" opinion is that OSU will miss the tourney next year is worthless conjecture. Joe Lunardi picked them as a 6 seed in his first edition for next year - so he must be biased too, right?
 
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Without roster additions, I don't anticipate that we will make the tourney this year. We aren't bringing in anything close to what we lost and are still short on guards. We managed the lack of guard depth last year by relying on our forwards, but there aren't those guys to rely on next year.

I don't know specifically what Cremo is thinking other than what he's specifically stated and his two biggest priorities are PT and making the tourney. Given our lack of experience and depth at guard, we can offer him the former in spades. Add a couple of solid transfers and we've got a decent chance at the later.

Every team loses players and adds new. Recruiting experts have our class pegged somewhere around 25th, so at least 20 teams are projected to bring in more talent than we do. I would also say of the top 100 teams, we probably lost a higher percentage of production/experience than 85-90 of them. Without additions of transfers, we are losing far more than we are gaining.
 
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I don't think people fully appreciate just how soft the bubble has become with the expansion of the field to 68 teams. Here is a sampling of some of the at-large bids this year:

Texas: 19-14 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games
Oklahoma: 18-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 10 of their last 14 regular season games
Arizona St.: 20-11 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 4 of their last 5 regular season games
Syracuse: 20-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games

Of course, none of this guarantees OSU a spot, but the days of needing to have a good season in order to get into the Dance are long gone.
 
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I don't think people fully appreciate just how soft the bubble has become with the expansion of the field to 68 teams. Here is a sampling of some of the at-large bids this year:

Texas: 19-14 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games
Oklahoma: 18-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 10 of their last 14 regular season games
Arizona St.: 20-11 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 4 of their last 5 regular season games
Syracuse: 20-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games

Of course, none of this guarantees OSU a spot, but the days of needing to have a good season in order to get into the Dance are long gone.
So true. I do not see much reason for OSU fans to be pessimistic about their chances, especially if they get a good grad transfer.
 
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If only I were more like buckguy, then I would know Cremo's state of mind and how he perceives OSU's tourney chances. Can't be any chance that is just a guess. The popular opinion is always right in college basketball, that's why filling out brackets is so easy. Props to Cremo for already knowing exactly how good each team will be as well.
why is it so hard for you to grasp my statement that osu's chances of a tournament bid are less certain than the availability for playing time on the wing? you ever given thought to the idea that replacing the b1g ten's conference player of the year, a multi-year starter, and our best 3-point shooter might be a challenge? you seem to assume that a tournament bid is a foregone conclusion. i'm not saying we won't make the tournament, but i am saying that as the roster stands in its current state, a tournament bid is not a foregone conclusion.
 
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I don't think people fully appreciate just how soft the bubble has become with the expansion of the field to 68 teams. Here is a sampling of some of the at-large bids this year:

Texas: 19-14 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games
Oklahoma: 18-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 10 of their last 14 regular season games
Arizona St.: 20-11 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 4 of their last 5 regular season games
Syracuse: 20-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games

Of course, none of this guarantees OSU a spot, but the days of needing to have a good season in order to get into the Dance are long gone.
and we missed the tournament a few years ago despite going 21-14 and 11-7. nebraska missed last season despite going 22-11 and 13-5. penn state missed despite going 21-13 and 9-9 (and beating us 3 times).

and of the four teams you listed, except for asu, they played in strong conferences. like last season, the big ten next year doesn't project to be all that strong.
 
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schrage and the official ohio state account now following matt mooney, who is a south dakota shooting guard who just announced that he's considering a grad transfer. for what it's worth, this is the first transfer of any kind that is being followed by the program's official account. originally from chicago, mooney averaged 18.7 points (35% from three, 83% from the line), 4.1 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.0 steals, and 2.4 turnovers.

 
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OSU definitely on the hunt for a wing! rightly so.

Certainly feels like we will end up with someone, but at this point I have no idea who. Whoever it is, I just hope they are a proficient scorer. Seems like Mooney might fit the bill of that, but obviously I'd still prefer Cremo. Seems like Mooney is really aggressive, perhaps to a fault, which might explain his 2.4 turnovers per game as a junior SG playing for a mid-major.
 
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why is it so hard for you to grasp my statement that osu's chances of a tournament bid are less certain than the availability for playing time on the wing? you ever given thought to the idea that replacing the b1g ten's conference player of the year, a multi-year starter, and our best 3-point shooter might be a challenge? you seem to assume that a tournament bid is a foregone conclusion. i'm not saying we won't make the tournament, but i am saying that as the roster stands in its current state, a tournament bid is not a foregone conclusion.
But a starting spot being open for a transfer to slide right in isn't a foregone conclusion, either. They would have to beat out some good players to get there, players that are good enough to make it a challenge. I do not assume a particular grad transfer would necessarily be better than the competition.
 
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in comparing Mooney to Castlin, their shooting percentages are very similar, but Mooney's stroke looks a little quicker and more pure which is probably why he can put up the same percentage as Castlin but at much higher volume. Mooney has over 1 more turnover per game than Castlin, and I think Castlin has a bit more height/length going for him, which would help at this level... but Mooney has better rebound and assist #s and, surprisingly, averaged 2 steals per game for USD both years he played there.

I'm wondering how many high majors are going to come at Mooney. I don't think he is going to get Cremo levels of attention but I could see him being in demand.
 
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What was Nebraskas record? They weren't even on the bubble. Much better comparable since they are in our conference which was very weak this year and will be again next.
No, it isn't really important what Nebraska did. League bids vary widely even in the same conference over a span of years, and every conference season is it's own entity and not influenced by the past year's number of bids.

Records are almost irrelevant. If you are a P5 program that is above .500 on the year and have at least 4 tier 1 quality wins during the course of the season, you will almost certainly make the tournament. OSU will have a decent amount of opportunities, if they go .500 against tourney teams and are over .500 overall, they will make it.
 
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I don't think people fully appreciate just how soft the bubble has become with the expansion of the field to 68 teams. Here is a sampling of some of the at-large bids this year:

Texas: 19-14 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games
Oklahoma: 18-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 10 of their last 14 regular season games
Arizona St.: 20-11 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 4 of their last 5 regular season games
Syracuse: 20-13 overall, 8-10 in conference, and the losers of 6 of their last 10 regular season games

Of course, none of this guarantees OSU a spot, but the days of needing to have a good season in order to get into the Dance are long gone.

I tend to agree with how soft the bubble has become, but will play devil's advocate just for arguments sake on this one.

I don't see a lot of improvement in the Big 10 next year overall as a conference so OSU finishing in the top 4 or 5 in the conference again is imperative and may prove to be a tall order with what they have coming back, even with the conference remaining down. Don't see the BIG 10 being a 6 or 7 bid league next year.
 
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The way it is structured right now, it's not about the conference records or even that much specifically about the overall records, it's about your RPI, BPI, and Tier 1, Tier 2 wins. Smart, beneficial scheduling helps. A strong conference helps because the committee doesn't seem to care about the losses as much as whether you picked up some good wins somewhere. Hence Nebraska going 13-5 in the conference but barely making the NIT because they had only one good win, while teams like Oklahoma and ASU piled up the losses in conference play but still got in thanks to some quality wins in their OOC. I am not sure how good the B1G will or won't be next season, but I know this, I hope the conference has a much better OOC showing than their abysmal OOC this past season. Because I don't know that OSU is going to be good or experienced enough to seize every opportunity and win most of the their tough OOC games, especially since our team will still be trying to come together as primarily a collection of sophomores and freshmen, so I feel like we're going to need more opportunities in conference play to pick up good wins than what most B1G teams had available to them this past season. Now, if it's still a weak-ish conference but you have two-plays with all of the teams that end up being the conference's Top 5, that should be enough opportunities for a bubble-type team to boost their resume and steal some valuable victories here and there, but who can say how that will shake out. And you still may need a quality win or two from your OOC if the conference is on the weak side.

Without experienced, high-level, constant, both-ends-of-the-court leaders like KBD and Tate, I just don't see OSU being able to achieve the same consistency that got them to 15-3 in the B1G this past season. I think we all had hope for KBD's potential, and maybe didn't expect a B1G PotY campaign but saw the possibility for him to be a huge factor for us. Thankfully he was and CJ improved a lot and Kaleb came in as a contributor in the post. Next season I am trying to look at the roster and be optimistic, but even if we can get one of the best grad transfers available, you aren't replacing the conference PotY and an All-American, and that's not even getting into everything Tate did for us or how big Kam was coming up for us early in conference play before his suspension and then in the Dance. I look forward to seeing development in our returning guys and seeing what the freshmen bring and hopefully we do get at least one really good grad transfer, but yeah, unless the B1G is down even more than it was this past season (which doesn't necessarily help us) I think our conference record is probably going to be more of the 10-8 or 11-7 variety, and that might be optimistic. So hopefully the B1G doesn't crap the bed as much early in the season and a 10-8 or 11-7 record implies some favorable resume numbers and wins.
 
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No, it isn't really important what Nebraska did. League bids vary widely even in the same conference over a span of years, and every conference season is it's own entity and not influenced by the past year's number of bids.

Records are almost irrelevant. If you are a P5 program that is above .500 on the year and have at least 4 tier 1 quality wins during the course of the season, you will almost certainly make the tournament. OSU will have a decent amount of opportunities, if they go .500 against tourney teams and are over .500 overall, they will make it.

And this is exactly the point I was making in the post I was responding to. Who you play and beat matters. Nebraska played in a weak conference and had limited opportunities for good wins. The fact that teams from other conferences got in with 8-10 conference records is not an indication that a particular record will make the tourney.

In the B1G, there were only 4 tier 1 teams last year, meaning if you beat that team at home, you got a tier 1 win. There were only 2 additional teams that could have netted you a tier 1 road win. Assuming you would have to be at least in the top 75 RPI in order to make the tourney (I believe there has been 1 exception in the history of the tourney), there were only 5 other teams in the conference in which you had a chance to pick up a tier 1 win against.

As for the comment about 4 tier 1 quality wins "almost certainly making the tournament", OK St. had 5 tier 1 wins and no bad losses this past year. Baylor had 4 tier 1 wins. We had 3 tier 1 wins. MSU had 3.
 
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