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Is Kirk Barton a Fake Buckeye?

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    Votes: 48 85.7%

  • NO

    Votes: 8 14.3%
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Tanner said:
Agree. Not to get too serious but I think people have forgotten grace. People make mistakes, sometimes horrible ones. I felt the same way reading an athletic article about Henry Ruggs apologizing to the family of the person he killed and every comment was rot in hell etc. I just don't believe in that kind of thinking
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He’ll get grace from me when he proves he deserves it. This action entirely defines his legacy right now.

He has a chance to alter that legacy with how he handles himself going forward, but he has to earn that grace. I’m not talking about an apology written by a PR person that checks all the right boxes. I’m talking about actually owning his actions, changing his behavior permanently, and making amends. Words are just words — actions speak much louder.

I know a guy who killed someone drunk driving back in the 80s. He got clean while spending a long-ass time in jail, hasn’t had a drink in decades, and now spends a bunch of his free time doing volunteer work. If Barton follows that trajectory, there’s redemption to be found. Not that my opinion of him is means anything to him.
 
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BB73 said:
Most addicts aren’t also extremely reckless idiots. One can be addicted and self-destructive without being very dangerous to the lives of others.
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Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
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I think the key is an addict must hit whatever is their rock bottom. They have to decide "I can't do this anymore " It cannot be taught. They either find that or they won't. I hope this is enough the Kirk finally realizes he can't do it any more... but, I have no idea what his rock bottom is.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I think the key is an addict must hit whatever is their rock bottom. They have to decide "I can't do this anymore " It cannot be taught. They either find that or they won't. I hope this is enough the Kirk finally realizes he can't do it any more... but, I have no idea what his rock bottom is.
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I’m not a therapist but I do know that addicts have to understand the mechanisms that cause the issues so in that sense of the word there is some “taught” to it but totally agree a rock bottom is part of that process.

The whole thing is just awful.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
I'd like to echo what @Jaxbuck and @Tanner had to say and add this: You can't cure a medical condition (addition/mental illness) with criminal penalties. Jail time isn't going to reform or deter the addict, so all that society is left with is retribution against a sick person. Seems like a losing proposition to me....
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I don‘t accept that “all society is left with is retribution against a sick person”.

Jail time can certainly prevent him doing the same thing and killing or severely injuring somebody else during the next several years.

It is also possible that long sentences are a deterrent to some other potential drunk drivers, thus reducing the number of these tragedies.

I am far more sympathetic towards the family of the deceased young man than the addicted person that recklessly killed him. But I’m not trying to imply that anybody else isn’t also sympathetic to that family.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
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There are millions of people with addictions. I believe that stats would indicate that the number who kill others while driving recklessly is in the thousands, perhaps the tens of thousands.

Although all addicts have their individual experiences, simple math indicates that “most” aren‘t driving in such an extremely reckless manner.
 
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BB73 said:
There are millions of people with addictions. I believe that stats would indicate that the number who kill others while driving recklessly is in the thousands, perhaps the tens of thousands.

Although all addicts have their individual experiences, simple math indicates that “most” aren‘t driving in such an extremely reckless manner.
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If you want to make the stand on "driving cars" then fine.

If you don't think the health problem of addiction has a profound impact on our society in terms of innocent lives and senseless violence then we will have to agree to disagree.

Prison time is called for in this case and it may deter a casual drunk driver who knows? Nothing, however, deters people in the grip of that disease. They aren't in control and they aren't doing most of the thinking. The disease is. They have to pay the bill, the disease calls the shots.
 
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Tanner said:
I sort of understand if youre young and you just make an idiotic decision, but if you're an adult and with all the ride options you have today, it's just ridiculous
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I will be the first to admit that I've been wrong more than once as an adult. I've crossed the half century line and I can honestly say I don't understanding how you get that drunk, drive drunk, abs dive fast af drunk like that?!?

The few times, before Uber, I did it wrong, I was kinda scared as shit to get pulled over and drove like I was taking my driver's test! Damn shame this happened in today's age of technology. Stay home people!!
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
Stop it. He needs to go away for a while but it was obviously a mistake. Literally the biggest mistake someone can make that leads to taking a life.

Barton always needed to get sober that was always the thing with him. I’d imagine 10-15 years is likely in order which should sober him up.

I can’t imagine what any of these people involved are dealing with right now. Someone lost a loved one and the other family loses a husband and father for a very long time.

This isn’t a life in jail kind of mistake though. This was stupidity and it cost someone their life.
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Taking a life, no matter how, why or where it happens, it's not something that ever leaves a person. Kirk, I pray, faces his demons and wins his battle eventually. But he's going to suffer like that family is for a long while.
 
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