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Ohio State 68, Columbia 54 (Final)

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PennBuckFan;1002057; said:
Told you he wouldnt list a source. I didnt need to ask really, i can tell when someone is flat out lying. Again, if you have a source so close to Cook that you know his mental state throughout the season, you would know how many kids and nephews he has and wouldnt have to reveal the source. You dont have a source so why try to defame a player who gave all he could last year to OSU. Even if you dont know someone close to Cook, having a source such as a player or coach would know this one; how many fingers did Cook break last year? Youre not going to answer and its fine, but you shouldnt lie about having sources close to a player who said he purposefully wasnt trying, thats just scummy.

CBF40 does not have to prove his source to a newcomer to this board. I do not know the names of his sources and frankly I don't care... if you were around for any amount of time you would know they are credible and he is almost always right. He has a lot of respect in this community and for someone new to come on here and degrade him is absolutely hilarious.

If you would have done a little searching through the Cook thread there is a little public hint on why there was a possible disconnect between the Cook family and Matta:
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...equan-cook-official-thread-40.html#post814696

Here, I'll even give you the link to DDN:
DaytonDailyNews: Dayton, Ohio, news and information

Renae Cook doesn't think her son can make a bad decision, even if that means entering the NBA draft and signing with an agent.

The mother of Ohio State freshman Daequan Cook realizes the risks and rewards of entering the draft or staying in school, especially since her son didn't have a great second half of the season.

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"I feel kind of confident if he went without one or went with one. Even if he stays in school, which is iffy for me because I'm not a real big Thad Matta fan right now," Renae Cook said.

"I would back him on that, though. It's not about me. The last decision is Daequan's."

Continued...
BTW, if you think CB40, JWins, or most others on this board are bad mouthing Cook you need to check your reading comprehension skills. We are all grateful that he chose to play his one year of college ball at Ohio State.
 
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bkochmc;1002113; said:
CBF40 does not have to prove his source to a newcomer to this board. I do not know the names of his sources and frankly I don't care... if you were around for any amount of time you would know they are credible and he is almost always right. He has a lot of respect in this community and for someone new to come on here and degrade him is absolutely hilarious.

If you would have done a little searching through the Cook thread there is a little public hint on why there was a possible disconnect between the Cook family and Matta:
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...equan-cook-official-thread-40.html#post814696

Here, I'll even give you the link to DDN:
DaytonDailyNews: Dayton, Ohio, news and information

BTW, if you think CB40, JWins, or most others on this board are bad mouthing Cook you need to check your reading comprehension skills. We are all grateful that he chose to play his one year of college ball at Ohio State.


So surely he would know if Cook had any children...or how many fingers he broke last year. Seems to me those would be something that anyone with any knowledge of the kid would know. I do read other boards, but I have only posted on this one. People on most OSU boards now are starting to realize what they had with DC last year and what they have this year with Jon Diebler. Most people who know someone who know someon who know DC know how many kids he has.

What does Renae Cook's post have to do with sulking. Do you know Renae? Do you know what she said about Coach Pullen to the media? No, of course not. She doesnt speak for DC and nothing in her post or anything she said ever even touched on Cook sulking and purposefully not playing well.

Also, what is the point of sending me to a post where one guy is saying "no matter what, Cook will be drafted in the early 20's of the first round if he comes out this year" (axlrose4eva) and another guy is calling him an "idiot" and saying he wouldnt get drafted. (golferdow). And youre saying im Axlrose4eva? So the guy you are accusing me of being was completely right? Good call there. Ill take credit for that statement if you really want and we can point out that whoever this golfer guy is was completely wrong. Cook went 21st and is currently playing for Miami. So big ups to me.
 
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PennBuckFan, is there a reason you refuse to address my posts?

Personally, I don't take kindly to being implied racist & prejudiced (especially considering the consistency of skin tone and ink), among a number of other ridiculous posts. But keep crying about cbf40 not revealing his verified source, while ducking all of my posts. That's consistent. :roll2:
So big ups to me.
No need, you're praising your awesomeness & insider status every other paragraph.
 
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PennBuckFan;1002350; said:
So surely he would know if Cook had any children...or how many fingers he broke last year. Seems to me those would be something that anyone with any knowledge of the kid would know. I do read other boards, but I have only posted on this one. People on most OSU boards now are starting to realize what they had with DC last year and what they have this year with Jon Diebler. Most people who know someone who know someon who know DC know how many kids he has.
I'm not going to speak for CBF40 or anyone else on this board but I do not see where any of that (children, broken fingers) is relevant with the conversation (first the crooked Dieblers then CFB40's "unverified" sources of info about Cook). I do find it interesting that you are so adamantly defending Cook (rightly or unrightly so) but are willing to throw Diebler under the bus with only 2 collegiate games under his belt. I'm sure everyone will agree with me that Cook was/is a more gifted athlete than Diebler is but Jon will be able to hold his own once things start clicking for him.

What does Renae Cook's post have to do with sulking. Do you know Renae? Do you know what she said about Coach Pullen to the media? No, of course not. She doesnt speak for DC and nothing in her post or anything she said ever even touched on Cook sulking and purposefully not playing well.
Like I said, that article was a public hint of what may have been happening behind the scenes (out of the public eye). Connecting the dots, if mom was thinking that way chances are son was too... how else is she going to see Matta that way besides through her son? That may be reading into it too much but as I said before I don't have inside information... I, like most other people, rely on others if we want to know that depth.

I also find it interesting that you adamantly demand to know CFB40's credentials (where he gets his info from) yet you have not answered CFB40, jwinslow, jimotis4heisman, or others' questions.
 
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jwinslow;1002076; said:
Obviously reading is not your strong suit.
More absurdity. If Jon Diebler starts bringing down a lot of boards, does it prove his effort on the defensive end too... as is your bizarre attempt at translation with cook?Sorry, when you rip on a player's dad and rip on numerous details from his HS season, you obviously have a pretty strong view on the Diebler family and are not unbiased (or 'dog'-less as you suggest).
Ridiculous comparison. One, Jared is already a superstar recruit. Two, OSU is not a tiny bball school. Let's try a useful comparison: Diebler's committed to Obie in the early 00's, but as he matures he develops into an elite prospect. With more options coming his way, he decides to step away from his very early decision (to follow his bro) and go to a better school. We'd all be sad, but the logic of such a decision is obvious.
Completely false. Any human is going to enjoy gain over loss, but that gain is not why he thought diebler had a good attitude so far. Pretending that it was is disengenious and intentionally deceptive.

It's obvious he thinks he's had a good attitude on the court thus far, from what little he's seen.
And once again you are flat out wrong. His source is well established here.

Huh? What here deserves a response. The question I asked is what makes people think Diebler has a good attitude and Cook has a bad attitude. No one has answered that. So what are you talking about. I do know that Diebler ran up scores on bad teams, backed out of a commitment and took a ridiculous amount of shots while being double teamed. So I am asking where the good attitude comment comes from.

Cook's effort was question. His total effort. I was saying if a player is 6'4 and is coming off the bench and is outrebounding everyone but Greg Oden and Othello Hunter, he is obviously putting forth effort. But misquote me all you want.

Its nice you look so poorly on Valparaiso's program and think that fans are so understanding of players who decommit. I have seen and heard things much differently, but if you really think OSU fans are understanding of decommitments so be it. However, fans of other schools definitely are not understanding and I dont see decommitment as a virtue.

You make it sound like I came on here and no one was talking about Diebler and I just started ragging on the kid. No, people were talking him up and saying he was playing great and impressively. My question is how has he been impressive. That is the topic. Where is this wonderful character and attitude and what has he done that makes him the "most impressive." That is the question. You are trying to twist it to, "how is he bad." That was never the point. Jimotis and others were saying he was playing great, has a great attitude (and in the same breath criticizes Cook's attitude), and has been very impressive. That is the topic. You can twist it however you want, but this isnt a topic of how is Jon Diebler bad, but what has he done so far at OSU that makes him the most impressive.

Also, if someone has a source in the Cook family they wouldnt be quoting his mom...anyone who thinks that means anything just shows they know nothing. If you knew someone from the Dayton area they would probably be able to tell you about his relationship with his mom. The guy doesnt have a source, its a joke. Believe what you want, but the guy doesnt even know if Cook has kids, let alone his innermost motivations.

And I didnt duck responding to this, I just figured it was worthless, which it proved to be. You cant even argue the initial statement of Diebler playing great, so you try to switch it to arguing against the notion that Diebler will never be good...which of course is something I never said.

46 minutes of play, 1 for 10 shooting, 1 for 9 from 3, 6 points, 4 rebounds, 1 for 1 turnovers to assist ratio, 1 steal, 4 rebounds. Im sorry, those numbers arent impressive to me.
 
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Dude it is 2 fucking games...

If he goes 4-4 tonight are you going to on here saying he is going to be the greatest player of all time...

WTF dude, give it up...You have been exposed, what DC's kids nephews, and family have to do with him sulking last year due to him not getting minutes because of Ron Lewis is beyond me...

It is clear to anyone with no bias, that Cook when his back is against the wall plays much better...Like this year when there is a paycheck on the line...There is a reason why I can't give my source...I have checked it with people that matter around here...BTW check that thread that JWins showed you and ExclusiveClothes is about as close to the big 3 from last year and he is saying the same things...

And don't tell me that Cook was in the gym last year more than anyone, b/c that was Lighty and Hunter, first in last to leave types...
 
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PennBuckFan;1002501; said:
(and in the same breath criticizes Cook's attitude)

Reading back, you are the one who brought Cook into the equation with your very first post by comparing Diebler's high school shooting percentage to his. And he was then not mentioned again until YOU brought him back into it with this quote:

If you are going to tell me that Matta is committed to Diebler and no matter what is going to play him, I wouldn't dispute it. I think its been clear that Matta has picked in the past to give minutes to his favorite players over the best players...why was Cook getting under 20 minutes a game at the beginning of last season despite leading the team in points, shooting percentage and rebounds...who knows. However, I hope Matta sees what everyone outside of Ohio sees and that is that Diebler isnt ready for college basketball.

So don't pretend like any posts were some sort of unprovoked attack on Cook. You brought Cook into it and cbf40 and co. responded to your comment.

Also, if someone has a source in the Cook family they wouldnt be quoting his mom...anyone who thinks that means anything just shows they know nothing. If you knew someone from the Dayton area they would probably be able to tell you about his relationship with his mom. The guy doesnt have a source, its a joke. Believe what you want, but the guy doesnt even know if Cook has kids, let alone his innermost motivations.

Or maybe his source is close to the program and has insight on DC via that, rather than being close with the family.

I'm sure it never occurred to cbf40 to ask about nieces or children or number of broken fingers. Pretty irrelelevant when you're talking basketball.
 
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PennBuckFan;1002501; said:
You make it sound like I came on here and no one was talking about Diebler and I just started ragging on the kid. No, people were talking him up and saying he was playing great and impressively. My question is how has he been impressive. That is the topic.
Actually, the topic of this thread is the Columbia game and you came out of left field spouting off how bad Diebler is and immediately compare him to Cook. You brought Cook up multiple times before anyone else said something about him.

Where is this wonderful character and attitude and what has he done that makes him the "most impressive." That is the question. You are trying to twist it to, "how is he bad." That was never the point. Jimotis and others were saying he was playing great, has a great attitude (and in the same breath criticizes Cook's attitude), and has been very impressive. That is the topic. You can twist it however you want, but this isnt a topic of how is Jon Diebler bad, but what has he done so far at OSU that makes him the most impressive.
Show me where someone says his play so far has been impressive. jimotis said his fundamentals impresses him and that will lead to better play down the road.

Also, if someone has a source in the Cook family they wouldnt be quoting his mom...anyone who thinks that means anything just shows they know nothing. If you knew someone from the Dayton area they would probably be able to tell you about his relationship with his mom. The guy doesnt have a source, its a joke. Believe what you want, but the guy doesnt even know if Cook has kids, let alone his innermost motivations.
The quote from his mom was the Dayton Daily News, not from me or from CBF40 or anyone else on this board. I brought it up to show there must have been some issue with DC and the Ohio State program that did not make mom Cook happy (at least at that time when she was interviewed by the DDN).

46 minutes of play, 1 for 10 shooting, 1 for 9 from 3, 6 points, 4 rebounds, 1 for 1 turnovers to assist ratio, 1 steal, 4 rebounds. Im sorry, those numbers arent impressive to me.
Great, he's struggled his first two games. How many other freshman have struggled their first few collegiate games but ended up having great careers. Turner's stat line is not much better than Dieblers but I don't see you throwing him under the bus too.

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BTW, here are the stat lines for Diebler and Turner. The only real difference is turnovers. Drawing a conclusion over two games, especially the first two games of the year, is ridiculous.

## Player............. GP-GS Min--Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
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21 Turner, Evan....... 2-0... 35--17.5 02-08 .250 01-03 .333 02-04 0.50 001 004 005 2.5 05 00 6 00 000 001 007 3.5
33 Diebler, Jon....... 2-2... 46--23.0 01-10 .100 01-09 .111 03-03 1.00 000 004 004 2.0 04 00 4 04 001 001 006 3.0
 
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Bucky Katt;1002518; said:
Or maybe his source is close to the program and has insight on DC via that, rather than being close with the family.

I'm sure it never occurred to cbf40 to ask about nieces or children or number of broken fingers. Pretty irrelelevant when you're talking basketball.

Yeah my source is getting ready to start a day care at the schott, hopefully I can provide insight into that as well...

BTW read thru the posts from last season and there was plenty of talk about Cook's hurt fingers...
 
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ill see you guys in the cuse thread tonight.

keep in mind these are relatively open discussion threads, not free for all and not for pot stirring and adding more to the put with every post.

this has become a joke.

this is my fair warning about the cuse thread tonight, if this garbage continues this is liable to happen...
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I don't think anyone here was badmouthing Cook. People who know what he did for Ohio State basketball love Cook, seeing as he was the entire reason that we got Oden, Conley, and possibly Lighty. After you brought up Cook claiming Matta played favorites and was doing so again with Diebler, people argued those facts with you citing a bad attitude from Cook as to the reason that he was coming off the bench and not seeing 40 minutes a game (especially considering there was a, you know, 5th year senior who hit two game winning shots ahead of him). You instantly took offense to this and started attacking very established and knowledgable posters credibility with your own ignorant 2 game statlines and children questions.

You are certainly entitled to dislike Diebler as a player, or as a person for all I care. But dont come on here and badmouth him and his father constantly for no other reason than a personal vendetta. If you want to argue against something he does out on the court, thats fine, but this discussion has turned into a stupid pissing contest about who has better sources or is closer to a player who isnt even on the Buckeye roster anymore and honestly, no one gives a shit.
 
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PennBuckFan;1000811; said:
least sensical post i have ever read. First of all Keith Diebler is a coach and a controversial one in high school basketball, so to me he is fair game to talk about as a coach. He is not well liked by many in ohio high school basketball and several schools have felt used by him. My comment was that he isnt a great coach and his system isnt big 10 style. I never spoke about him as a dad. This is a guy who couldnt figure out how to beat Willard and had 3 chances to do it...with Jon Diebler on the team. He ran up the score on bad teams to pad his sons stats...seriously was it necessary in a highschool game to have Jon Diebler dribble up the court and shoot a 3 over a 5'8 guy with 2 minutes left in a game while up by 57?

Second of all, Matta has never recruited and coached any player for four years, that was the point. He never stays places long and his first recruiting class at OSU netted 0 players who stayed more than a year. I just dont see him as a developer of talent. Considering Matt Sylvester hit the game winning shot against Illinois in Matta's first year, I would say he did play for Matta, but I guess you question that fact as well. Matta's teams have suffered from streakiness and lengthy cold streaks more so than other teams. As for Lighty, my point is his offensive game didnt improve last year. I never said players dont improve during the offseason. The topic is this year. Lighty finished the season shooting 2 for 26 from 3. In fact, can you name a player from last years team who finished the season with a better 3 point percentage than they had in their first 10 games? So I dont get the development idea. Give me an example of a player who developed throughout the season offensively.

Again, if Jon Diebler has such a "geometric understanding of the game" why does he only have one steal and why does he lead the team in turnovers. But I guess he knows the pythagorean theorem so that means he knows good defense? Diebler doesnt block out and he doesnt have the leaping ability to be a quality rebounder. While Jon Diebler is busy figuring out the hypotaneus guys like Lofton will dribble around him or shoot over him. And again im commenting on the fact that people on here said he was the "most impressive" in the first two games...and whats your definition of point guard? Touches the ball? Im sorry, just because a guy touches the ball doesnt make him a point guard. The second string small forward has more assists than him, he hasnt brought the ball up the court, he doesnt penetrate and he hasnt created his own shot yet, what is your definition of point guard?

To me players are impressive based on production. If someones a good defender their man wont score on them...and when theyre in the game their team will go on runs. Fact is OSU was up by 1 over Columbia in the 2nd half. Then Matta went with the lineup of Butler, Lighty, Turner, Dlaud, and Twigs and OSU pulled out to a double figure lead and never went back. Diebler played 20 minutes against Columbia and most of that time was with the starters, yet OSU outscored Columbia by 6x the amount in the 20 minutes he didnt play than the 20 minutes he did play. Now it might be coincidence and he might get things together, but I dont see how people can see his play the first two games as "the most impressive" or as playing point guard.

You cant argue with stats so you try to make it sound im bashing on some kids dad. Go to any Ohio High School basketball forum and youll see posts about Keith Diebler and look how many of them are positive.

Good times. :lol:
 
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