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Official 2006 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread

Digger doesn't hate us, he just picks the upsets so people will watch the dopey studio shows with the has-been players, the retired coaches, and the crappy set furniture.

If anyone wants to attack the media for anything, attack the assclowns at CBS for railing against the mid-majors and cindarellas, only to hype them all ad nauseum once the actual tournament begins because it sells. How much crap have we had to listen to about Gonzaga the past 6 years? Once upon a time, they were nobody. Creighton hasn't made any final 4s, but ask Florida and West Virginia how easy they are to beat in a bracket. I didn't hear asslips Nantz railing against teams like Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas, who lose a lot of early round games themselves.
 
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There's a Michigan fan that works in my building and he always talks so much trash before we play them. IE... both basketball games this year and our come from behind win in football. Then he is no where to be found Monday morning after the game. He has one of those "Those who stay will be Champions" banners up in his cubicle. After football season I took a piece of paper and taped over his banner so it said "Those who stay will be 7-5" and everytime he walks in the office I yell out 4 loss Llyod. As we speak I am sending him the link to this post so he can play the game find the Wolverines. It is a GREAT time to be a Buckeye.
 
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SB Tribune


March 13. 2006 6:59AM
Did Ohio State get off easy?

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CURT RALLO
Tribune Staff Writer


INDIANAPOLIS -- Ohio State reigns as the regular-season champion of the Big Ten in men's basketball, but do the Buckeyes' really have a champion's resume?

Ohio State claimed the Big Ten crown with a 12-4 record in league competition, but the Buckeyes were a sub-.500 team against the teams seeded second through sixth.

Ohio State posted a 3-4 record combined against Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan State. The Buckeyes were 9-0 against teams that finished seventh through 11th in the Big Ten standings.

Ohio State only played Indiana, Iowa and Illinois once this season. By contrast, Michigan State played the top five teams in the conference twice each, and only played the bottom four teams, Purdue, Penn State, Northwestern and Minnesota, one game each.

Michigan State coach Tom Izzo is frustrated by the issue, but doesn't think expanding the number of league games from 16 to 18 or 20 is the answer.

"I don't think it's a Big Ten issue, I think it's the imbalance of all league schedules," Izzo said. "If it was a Big Ten issue, we could find a way to solve it. But if it isn't solved by everybody, I don't think there's a way to solve it.

"In other words, we can't play 20 games in the Big Ten and the ACC and the Big East play 16, and then we're beating ourselves to death like we did this year playing all the top teams," Izzo said. "We played every one of them twice. In fairness to Ohio State, you can only do what you can do with the schedule. I do think we're to the point nationwide where the schedules are going to dictate a little bit more the conference champs. That's nothing to take away from Ohio State or anybody else."
 
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SB Tribune


March 13. 2006 6:59AM
Did Ohio State get off easy?

COLLEGE BASKETBALL

CURT RALLO
Tribune Staff Writer


INDIANAPOLIS -- Ohio State reigns as the regular-season champion of the Big Ten in men's basketball, but do the Buckeyes' really have a champion's resume?

Ohio State claimed the Big Ten crown with a 12-4 record in league competition, but the Buckeyes were a sub-.500 team against the teams seeded second through sixth.

Ohio State posted a 3-4 record combined against Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan State. The Buckeyes were 9-0 against teams that finished seventh through 11th in the Big Ten standings.

Ohio State only played Indiana, Iowa and Illinois once this season. By contrast, Michigan State played the top five teams in the conference twice each, and only played the bottom four teams, Purdue, Penn State, Northwestern and Minnesota, one game each.

Michigan State coach Tom Izzo is frustrated by the issue, but doesn't think expanding the number of league games from 16 to 18 or 20 is the answer.

"I don't think it's a Big Ten issue, I think it's the imbalance of all league schedules," Izzo said. "If it was a Big Ten issue, we could find a way to solve it. But if it isn't solved by everybody, I don't think there's a way to solve it.

"In other words, we can't play 20 games in the Big Ten and the ACC and the Big East play 16, and then we're beating ourselves to death like we did this year playing all the top teams," Izzo said. "We played every one of them twice. In fairness to Ohio State, you can only do what you can do with the schedule. I do think we're to the point nationwide where the schedules are going to dictate a little bit more the conference champs. That's nothing to take away from Ohio State or anybody else."

IMO, losing to Northestern and Minnesota, like Iowa did, doesn't convince me that they are the true Big 10 champs. Same thing goes for MSU--if they're complaining, they should have gone out and beaten Minnesota and scUM, two non-tournament teams.
 
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Ohio State posted a 3-4 record combined against Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan State. The Buckeyes were 9-0 against teams that finished seventh through 11th in the Big Ten standings.

And we would have beaten Iowa and Indiana at VCA, and I think would have had a good shot at Illinois on the road.
Michigan State coach Tom Izzo is frustrated by the issue, but doesn't think expanding the number of league games from 16 to 18 or 20 is the answer.

"I don't think it's a Big Ten issue, I think it's the imbalance of all league schedules," Izzo said. "If it was a Big Ten issue, we could find a way to solve it. But if it isn't solved by everybody, I don't think there's a way to solve it.

"In other words, we can't play 20 games in the Big Ten and the ACC and the Big East play 16, and then we're beating ourselves to death like we did this year playing all the top teams," Izzo said. "We played every one of them twice. In fairness to Ohio State, you can only do what you can do with the schedule. I do think we're to the point nationwide where the schedules are going to dictate a little bit more the conference champs. That's nothing to take away from Ohio State or anybody else."

Drat. I want to hate Izzo, but he always comes across as a reasonable guy. I hate that. :)

And MSU doesn't really have a gripe, not that it looks to me like Izzo is griping. They lost 8 Big 10 games and we lost 4. That's not imbalanced scheduing, that's a better team winning more games. If MSU had five Big 10 losses instead of 8, I would certainly understand if they were upset, but not when you finish four games back in a 16 game schedule.
 
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We did have an easier Big 10 schedule. That's just what happens some years. Happens in football too. Both Iowa and Ohio State deserve recognition. Ohio State was regular season champs, playing it's best basketball in the Big 10 regular season, but Iowa beat Ohio State twice, and won the conference tournament. So hats off to them as well.
 
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That arguement might hold some water for the regular season, but the Conference Tournament is another forum for teams to display who the best is. This year, I would argue that the results of the tournament largely mirrored the results of the regular season. If you are frustrated by the regular season schedule and feel like you are the best team in the league, but the schedule held you back, then go win the tourney. Can MSU argue that they were the third best team in the B10 this year - maybe, but certainly not the best team in the conference. I think only tOSU & Iowa can argue that. The other fault with this arguement is that all of these teams except tOSU lost to the bottom tier of the B10 (I have included scUM in this list of bottom tier teams, just for fun). Win the games you're supposed to win, then make this arguement.

Iowa - L @ NW & @ Minn
ILL - L PSU at Home, @ scUM
Wisky - L @ scUM, @ Purdue, @ NW
MSU - L @ scUM , @ Minn
 
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Interesting article about the hijinx that occured during the selection show.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney06/news/story?id=2367339

INDIANAPOLIS -- Craig Littlepage took aim at critics of the NCAA selection committee Monday, even firing back at CBS.
One day after the committee was harshly criticized for its 65-team field, its chairman defended the panel's work saying he wanted a better working relationship with the NCAA's $6 billion broadcast partner.
Then, when pressed on comments made by CBS analyst Billy Packer, Littlepage mixed honesty with diplomacy.
"I think Billy made the comment that he hadn't seen the Missouri Valley Conference play, but he felt comfortable enough to talk about their lower level of performance not only this year but over time," Littlepage said. "It seems to be counterintuitive, if you will, that he'd make a comment like that."
A message for Packer was left with CBS.
Littlepage, the athletic director at the University of Virginia, praised the 10-member committee for its dedication, thorough evaluations and ability to work under a challenging deadline.
Some scrutiny, he acknowledged, was expected.
But the scope of the criticism during Sunday's selection show telecast and on other networks clearly irritated Littlepage.
The controversy from Sunday's brackets seemed as wide-ranging as the tournament itself -- Packer and CBS aside -- and former committee member Jim Delany called the criticism unprecedented.
"It seemed to me to be at a higher pitch than before," said Delany, the Big Ten commissioner.
Among the issues were:
• Cincinnati's omission despite a strong strength of schedule ranking and a relatively high RPI.
• The at-large selections of Air Force and Utah State, two teams with lower RPIs than schools such as Michigan and Missouri State -- which were left out of the field.
• Seedings that gave Tennessee a No. 2 seed, higher than either Southeastern Conference regular-season champion LSU or tournament champ Florida, and had George Washington dealt an eight seed in the Atlanta Regional despite having the best record in the field at 26-2.
But what riled Littlepage was Packer's assertion the committee look at a five-year track record of teams and conferences. Littlepage and past committee chairmen have stated regularly that past performances have no bearing on the brackets.
And Littlepage said the reason teams from the traditional power conferences fare better in the tournament is that they typically get higher seeds.
"He may have an opinion about that or the two of them may have an opinion about that, and they are certainly free to have those opinions and express those opinions," Littlepage said of Packer and his CBS broadcast partner, Jim Nantz. "But to look at this in terms of the partnership, you would hope there would be a little better understanding of what it is that we do and an accurate reflection of the facts as they know them to be. Facts, instead of opinions, would be helpful."
But there were times Monday that Littlepage almost seemed to plead for empathy.
"I think you can imagine the pressure in that room and the tension that builds up leading to Sunday," he said. "We're working on the field up until about 30 to 45 minutes before it goes on the air."
Since the pairings were released, there have also been questions about whether mid-major programs were disproportionately represented on the committee. Littlepage denied that.
He said six of the 10 committee members work at Division I-A schools, primarily from the Bowl Championship Series conferences, while only four work at schools with Division I-AA football programs.
Another issue was how the championships being played Sunday afternoon complicate the selection process.
"For instance, if South Carolina wins the SEC championship, that takes a spot away and changes what we've already done," Littlepage said.
Delany said the Big Ten prefers playing late Sunday afternoon because it gives the game more national coverage. If that means those two teams are penalized, Delany is willing to accept such a decision.
"We choose to play at that time so whatever the consequences are, we bear them," Delany said.
Littlepage remained confident, though, that by Tuesday night's opening-round game between Monmouth and Hampton all the controversy would fade.
But before next year, Littlepage hopes to find a way to avoid a repeat of Sunday night's blistering attacks -- particularly on CBS' selection show.
"I think what we have to have are more conversations about the partnership and how we need to work better together a little bit," he said. "Or at least to have better information and accurate information out there."
 
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Billy Packer's idea that the committee should factor in what teams and conferences did in previous seasons is pure folly.

But the RPI needs to be tweaked so that more than the opponents' winning percentage is factored in. They need to run multiple iterations to determine the relative strengths of teams, similar to what Zurp did in his football rankings thread.
 
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Just a tid bit:

Though ESPN's "lovable" sportscasters in Digger Phelps and Dickie V. has us not going past the second round, Sports Illustrated thinks differently. This morning on Cold Pizza, one of their college bball coverage writers (Grant Wahl) was on talking about upsets and how to predict the brackets most accuratly. He said that he has OSU making it to the Final Four and was very suprised that many fans already have UConn winning it all. Of course, not All SI writers feel the same way. Seth Davis actually has 3, #1 seeds making it to the final four - 'Nova, Duke, and UConn.

Grant Wahl
 
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Is anyone watching the play in game. That kid from Monmouth is freakin' huge.

He is 7'2'' 320. They also 3 other guys 6'8'' or higher.

They are bigger than us. They are really putting a pounding on Hampton. Maybe they can give UCONN a scare in the first round.:biggrin:
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Is anyone watching the play in game. That kid from Monmouth is freakin' huge.

He is 7'2'' 320. They also 3 other guys 6'8'' or higher.

They are bigger than us. They are really putting a pounding on Hampton. Maybe they can give UCONN a scare in the first round.:biggrin:
I'll be there rooting them on :biggrin:
 
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