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[briegg]

I didn't say say OSU's standards were low, just that Miami's are high. I'm pretty sure that out of the major programs, only ND has higher standards than Miami. Miami's new president is apparently a fairly ambitious woman who interferes with athletics a lot, she implemented the new rules a few years ago requiring all incoming athletes to make at least 820 on the SATs. This may not sound very high, but it is a LOT higher than most schools since most of us use the sliding scale. You'd be surprised at how big the difference is considering MANY top athletes are in the borderline range. For example, Preston Parker and Jamar Hornsby(2.9 GPA, 720 or so SAT) would not be accepted into Miami, but would be for FSU and UF. It didn't matter for Hornsby, but they lost Parker only because he couldn't make it there.

But you did say that Miami's standards are higher than tOSUs - my question was what you based that statement on. We also have lost quite a few players to acedemics that have landed elsewhere in the last few years. I believe our current standards for SA to be on par with ND, but I think very few people know the true story for any school. If you have some insight behind the statement that Miami's stds are higher than tOSU's, I think most on this sight would be interested, as this would indicate you know specifics about the admissions process at tOSU.

 

[HINYG8]

I'm pretty sure that out of the major programs, only ND has higher standards than Miami.

You are all over the place with this claim.

First, ND does not have higher admittance standards for SA than the NCAA minimum. This tells me you are posting from your perception of these programs, likely created by the media, rather than the facts associated with each.

Second, I am only aware of TWO schools that require a higher academic bar than the NCAA clearing house for SA admissions: OSU and Miami. There may be more, but these are the only two who have proven it during the recruiting process by turning quality SA away who were NCAA eligible.

You are wrong about ND, but you *might* be right about Miami v. OSU. I am not sure which is higher, but I'll tell you this: even if OSU is better I don't like the notion of separate standards. That is an all together separate rant we can take up in a thread elsewhere.

Bottom line, don't make assumptions about OSU because you have seen the media knocking the program around. Miami fans, of all people, should understand this better than anyone.

As for ND you might find this article interesting:

CHICAGO--It was amusing to hear Paul Hornung speak of Notre Dame's "excessively demanding admissions standards" for football players (Tribune, April 1). Here's some truth for Mr. Hornung and those Irish alums who believe the school's winning percentage has dropped in inverse proportion to supposed "rising standards:" <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Recent data released by the NCAA lists Stanford and Northwestern No. 1 and No. 2 in average SAT scores for football players, which is why each plays in a Rose Bowl every 30-odd years. Rice, Duke and Vanderbilt come in at Nos. 3, 4 and 5. The Fighting Irish ranked No. 51 out of 115 Division I football programs with an average SAT score of 925, below Big Ten schools Purdue (No. 6), Indiana (No. 10), Ohio State (No. 12), Penn State (No. 21), Iowa (No. 27) and Michigan (No. 46). They are also ranked well below a Colorado team (No. 35) that has been making headlines for things other than academic achievement. <o:p></o:p>
Unlike the famed Four Horsemen, Irish supporters sit on mythical high horses, oblivious to the facts and unwilling to accept reality: Notre Dame has very relaxed academic standards for its football players, yet fields a team that had drifted into mediocrity.

This was written right before they hired Charlie Weiss. Bottom line: Point to any standard you want, but the B10 can walk the talk. I question whether ND's reputation for elevated requirements is anything more than lip service to quell any unrest amid the ND nation when times were hard.

 

[G8erBait]

The only difference with Miami and most other schools is that Miami does not use a sliding scale while most schools (UF and OSU included) do. The is it. The sliding scale means that if a kid has a higher GPA, his test scores don't need to be as high.

OSU, UF and Miami have similar standards, they just vary with different kids. For example, Larry Grant was not accepted to Florida because he failed a math test/exam at his Juco that he needed to pass in order to gain entry into a school in the SEC. However Ohio State still allowed him to enter their school because they don't requie such a class to be taken.

I am sure there is an instance where a kid doesn't have the grades to get into OSU but he could get into UF. I am pretty sure that Hornsby WOULD be taken by OSU had he shown more interest. I don't know if OSU didn't offer Tebow a scholarship or not. You claim they didn't while Rivals claim they did. I bet Tressel would of taken/offered Tebow if he would of been more interested, but after watching an OSU game as a Jr he quickly decided that he had little interest in becoming a Buckeye.

 

[BuckTwenty]

Any chance we can get this split of the Deonte Thompson thread?