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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1448094; said:
If you are going to discuss Painters stats then you have to ask why was Jimmy able to go nuts against Purdue while Pryor struggled to get his team in the end zone.
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Why? Ohio State won right? Maybe you could explain why Pryor completely outclassed Michigan State while The Chosen One threw 2 picks and had, by all accounts, his usual performance against any team with any talent what so ever.

Seriously after last season and with the key loses why do you think OSU is going to be all that spectacular??
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Seriously, after last season and with the same handicap you have as a head coach why do you think Ntre Ame is suddenly so improved? Do you think you'll actually be able to beat Navy without having to recover an onside kick this year? Or how about actually beating a ranked team? Everyone knows your schedule is a joke this year outside of the Michigan State, Michigan (maybe) and USC games, but hell 9-3 will get you into a BCS game where you'll be completely outclassed by whichever ACC/SEC/Big 12 or Big Ten team Ntre Ame ends up playing, but that's good enough right? Nothing like a return to the glory days right?

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Drink up and just hope that DickRod doesn't have something for you because while his system is a joke and won't beat Ohio STate or Penn State consistently, it WILL smoke Ntre Ame.
 
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Perhaps you should be worrying about a team that is actually on your schedule (USC) that lost as many impact players as Ohio State.

Unless, that is, you are saying USC is out of reach so you have to compare yourself to a team you don't even play so that anything you say can't be proven right or wrong on the field, so your GREAT debate skills will have to carry the day.....
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1448011; said:
You mean the same Big10 that sucky ND went 2-1 against ??

With what both teams have coming back why would you think OSU would destroy ND ?? Are OSU's backs good enough to run all over ND ?? Can OSU's defensive backs handle Floyd and Tate ?? Which QB would have more success ??
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History and the guys patrolling the sidelines.

I don't care what you did to a rebuilding Hawaii team in a second-tier bowl game, 2 games prior you lost to Syracuse and the game after that were beaten by USC even worse than we were (much later in the season too by the way). tOSU narrowly lost to a team that had a legit argument to be playing for the BCS Championship. I don't care what we lose on defense, look at our history, we always bounce back on that side of the ball. There may be some dropoff, but not as much as you seem to think. Also, Pryor has played very well for a true frosh thrown into the fire and will be special this year. Call us arrogant if you must, but if one of our fanbases have a reason to be, it's us. Again, come back and talk shit when Chuckles beats his first ranked team...maybe it'll finally happen in his FIFTH year. By the way, in the last two years, you've lost more games than tOSU has lost since 2002.

You know, after the past two seasons my hate for N_tre _ame and it's fans was waning as they decended further into irrelevance. I'd like to thank Hawaii for giving the arrogance back to them. Feel the hate flow through you...
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1448099; said:
Perhaps you should be worrying about a team that is actually on your schedule (USC) that lost as many impact players as Ohio State.

Unless, that is, you are saying USC is out of reach so you have to compare yourself to a team you don't even play so that anything you say can't be proven right or wrong on the field, so your GREAT debate skills will have to carry the day.....
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This is not a USC board.... anyway I think ND will be as or more competititve against USC than OSU will. You guys have an advantage though playing USC and their new QB early.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1448112; said:
This is not a USC board.... anyway I think ND will be as or more competititve against USC than OSU will. You guys have an advantage though playing USC and their new QB early.
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So, in a nutshell, you feel ND will be a better team than Ohio State?

Let me know if you already answered this earlier as I admit I am being lazy by not looking back....but....how so?
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1448120; said:
Obviously you forgot the 2 almost identical scores against USC last year..
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Hmmm, obviously you forgot what juncture in the season those games were played. I'm not gonna defend how we played in that game, but we did double your total yards without our main offensive weapon. Look, having some optimism is fine, but it's just foolish to come over here and talk shit when your program has accomplished next to nothing for the better part of two decades. Again, when Chuckles finally beats a ranked team (or hell, is even competitive), then come back and talk...

Where's a Mili-bomb when you need one?

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Last year I recall talking about matters pigskin with the ND alums who are, respectively, either friends of, or part of, our extended family. Inevitably the issue of the expected record vs. hoped for record raised it's head.

For 2008 I offered them the following - "you'd be best off going 6-6, making it to a bowl nobody really cares about, and winning it - just to get that monkey of your back. With luck, ND should be able to get that done."

Now in the end it took losing to hapless Syracuse to make me look like a seer (again, having got within a game of how bad ND would be the prior year). But hell, it isn't my fault that ND needs gobs of weird luck to get to the optimum post-season bowl - which as some may recall was in Hawaii.

So, based on that peerless record of prognostication I feel confidnt in saying that ND will have 8 wins this year.

8

And that is before their bowl game.

They will definitely lose to Pittsburgh. They will definitely lose to USC - despite having the benefit of playing them early (making this their best chance for an upset since Weis' first year).

Sparty seems to give them fits these days - mark that down as a possible loss. Purdue, though in West Lafayette is a cipher, newly installed Head Coach Danny Hope has little to work with but the last name, as certain an ND win as any on the schedule.

Against TSUN though, things may be different - if only because they get them early in Ann Arbor, and because ND hasn't shown any ability to stop the run in three years (though improving last year). An unlikely loss perhaps, but I suspect ND will cough up a hairball against TSUN.

Then we have one of either @ Stanford, hosting Boston College, or CT to give a total of four losses.

8-4 in season possible, 7-5 not beyind the bounds, and another (rationally) lower-tier bowl game to help the Irish build a new "bowl streak" (Flush and use cleanser dammit!)

Though, with what passes for the luck of the Irish these days, they could easily end up getting paired against a higher ranked team and going down in front of a larger audience.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1448117; said:
So, in a nutshell, you feel ND will be a better team than Ohio State?

Let me know if you already answered this earlier as I admit I am being lazy by not looking back....but....how so?
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I did not say better... all I said was that I think that for the first time in years ND has the talent to match up with OSU. Therefore I think it would be a very good game. I did say that ND has areas on it's team that are better than OSU.

You guys keep asking why I think ND will be pretty good and I told you but after last year why do you think OSU is going to be so great? OSU'S offense was nothing to right home about last year and you lose most of the line, your receivers and by far your best RB. Not to mention your best linebacker and DB.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1448133; said:
You guys keep asking why I think ND will be pretty good and I told you but after last year why do you think OSU is going to be so great? OSU'S offense was nothing to right home about last year and you lose most of the line, your receivers and by far your best RB. Not to mention your best linebacker and DB.
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I assume you mean "write". Offensively, last years team struggled because of poor OL play. Injuries prevented them from developing chemistry and a consistent rotation. This year, assuming health is not again an issue, we will have the most talented OL in Columbus in recent memory. OL recruiting struggled for the first few years of JT's tenure. The last two recruiting classes have been loaded with blue-chip OL prospects. That is an area that will likely be improved from last year. Add in a year experience from Pryor and that is reason to expect the offense will see considerable improvement from last season. Also, this years offense is being tailored around Pryor's abilities. Last year he was thrust into the starting position and operated under a simplified playbook to allow him to ease into the position. As for RB, yes we lose Beanie, but this offense will be built around TP, and Boom Herron did quite well subbing for Beanie while he was hurt.

Defensively, tOSU has always done well reloading. The DL may be the best since 2002 and there is a lot of talent at LB. Safeties will be strong, but the CB's may be an area for concern as youngsters settle in...but there is plenty of talent there as well.

The biggest difference here is coaching. JT buries Weis. Sorry, their track record proves it. In 2006, he replaced a large chunk of the defense and still was #1 all year before it finally caught up in the BCSCG. Few programs have recruited as well defensively as tOSU, so it's not unreaonble to expect another very strong defense again. Weis has done little with the talent he has recruited the past two years and a win over Hawaii does little to change my mind about him. I do expect an improved N_tre _ame this season, but until Weis proves he can beat a good team, I'll remain skeptical.
 
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