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NCAA Academic Reforms (Merged)

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Why we need to get academics up NOW

The NCAA released its new Academic Performance Numbers this week, eventually, scoring below 925 could result in penalties of 10% of scholarships in a sport. Before everyone gets to riled up, remember that we pay in this index every time a player leaves the University and doesn't graduate. Maybe Clarett can get that burger degree and help us out here...

Link: http://www.sportsline.com/general/story/8239262

From CBSSPORTSLINE

If the NCAA meant to generalize and accuse Monday, it waved a fully loaded AK-47 of shame.

Thanks to the debut of the new Academic Performance Rate (APR), for now we can make these general assumptions about academics at certain big-time football and basketball powers:

Ohio State football is in worse shape with the NCAA than we think.

Joe Paterno isn't the academic hardliner he is made out to be.

The Pac-10 -- home of Stanford and Cal -- might be one of the most academically underachieving football conferences in the country according to the APR.

John Chaney might be recruiting too many goons in the classroom, too.

Don't be shocked. The NCAA issued the raw numbers without quite enough explanation. It wasn't going to name names on Monday because the numbers are so new. So what are we supposed to assume? Pac-10 commissioner Tom Hansen didn't seem to be aware Monday morning that his league had arguably the worst APR performance of any major football conference. He was not alone. Immediately after a conference call with NCAA officials Monday afternoon, some APR information could not be accessed on the NCAA website.

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It's a long way to NCAA jail, but by releasing the data Monday, the association showed us that:


Six of the 10 Pac-10 football programs are way below 925. Oregon has the worst APR of any BCS program, 849. In addition, Oregon State, Arizona State, Washington, Arizona and UCLA are all at 892 or worse. No other major conference is as bad in football.
Ohio State football stands out with its 870, fourth worst among BCS schools. Throw in the school's current NCAA problems regarding football and basketball, and this is a further reflection on Tressel and outgoing athletic director Andy Geiger.
Noted disciplinarians Chaney and Paterno run programs below the cut line. Penn State was not bad at 922, although it was surprising given Paterno's reputation. In essence, during the 2003-04 academic year, not even half his players graduated. Chaney was worse. With an 818, Temple ranks 309th out of 326 Division I basketball programs.
At least eight schools seem to be in danger if they don't improve significantly in both football and basketball. These Division I programs are no better than 898 in both football and basketball: Arizona State, UNLV, Texas A&M, Temple, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, Louisiana-Lafayette and San Jose State.
That might be an early reference list for schools that lose scholarships. It might not. The main intent Monday was embarrassment. There are too many factors to consider before schools and programs actually take a hit.

And the lawyers haven't even gotten involved yet.
 
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This report came after the 03-04 season, which involved tons of players leaving for the pros that had no need for finishing their degree (including krenzel, he hurt us by not finishing his major first).

Tressel had 22 academic all-big10 plaeyrs last year. I'm not too worried. Look at the trend in recruiting too, and its pretty easy to see that we've turned things around.

Besides, this article is absurd to begin with. He spends the whole article mocking the APR, then at the end he gets a cheap shot in on tOSU using the APR as his ammo.
 
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couple questions come to mind...

1) are we 'penalized' when 14 players get drafted by the NFL and only a couple of them formally graduate on time.. vs a number of them may decide to get a jump start on their professional career with intent to graduate later...

2) sure lends addl credence to the push for 5 year schollies... to better reflect the realities that most folks take 5 years to graduate nowadays... anyone know how the current system addresses this?
 
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I also read in the USA today that many schools did not report their numbers correctly and are currently resubmitting. I wish I had a better understanding of how those numbers are calculating from what i can tell its somewhat misleading. I certainly cant believe Tennesee football has higher academic expectations than tOSU
 
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Acedemia! Biting the hand that feeds them. Good God.

So, a college Junior gets an offer to make over 1 million dollars annually, and his decision to take that offer and become an NFL player is viewed as a failure? Is the NCAA equally pissed off when a college Junior (non athlete) drops out of school to pursue his business venture? I'm getting pretty sick of this illusion that college sports is some sort of .... I don't know... romantic ideal of some kind.

Fact is, hundreds of kids fail out of school annually. Hundreds of kids drop out for various reasons. You don't need to be an athlete for it to occur. It's simply the facts of that stage of life. College isn't for everyone, lets stop pretending that it is - at least in terms of provision of schollies for kids who might not otherwise even have a chance to go to school. Should schools attempt to graduate 100% of entrants? Of course. Should they expect to? Not in a rational world.
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
couple questions come to mind...

1) are we 'penalized' when 14 players get drafted by the NFL and only a couple of them formally graduate on time.. vs a number of them may decide to get a jump start on their professional career with intent to graduate later...

2) sure lends addl credence to the push for 5 year schollies... to better reflect the realities that most folks take 5 years to graduate nowadays... anyone know how the current system addresses this?
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Answer to Q 1 - Yes when underclassmen graduate or seniors do not complete their graduation witha degree.
We are also still seeing the final flow through of the Cooper/Tressel era.
I refer you back to the earlier posts by BuckeyefromsCUM on the brighter future for our graduation rates.
Anyone got Q2 handled?

Last the fella who wrote this bit:

Penn State was not bad at 922, although it was surprising given Paterno's reputation. In essence, during the 2003-04 academic year, not even half his players graduated.
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Needs to re-read how that APR rating is calculated.

Given his inability to understand what that rating means I can easily dismiss his snide and uninformed remarks about the state of affairs at tOSU.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Should schools attempt to graduate 100% of entrants? Of course. Should they expect to? Not in a rational world.
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I believe the passing mark represents graduating 50% of student-athletes. That shouldn't be an unreal expectation.
 
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Is it basically just a general understanding that the internet has ushered in an era where we expect entertainment over honorable journalism? I mean, how fair is it to condemn programs for 1 year of statistics? Try walking into your next business meeting and insulting a particular department based on stats from 1 quarter of productivity, with no consideration to the quarters that came before or after.
 
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I didn't really have any issue with Sportscenter doing that. They were on the Wisky fight for all of one second, and they just reported what the NCAA told them about the academic story.

This is what I have a problem with.
Ohio State football stands out with its 870, fourth worst among BCS schools. Throw in the school's current NCAA problems regarding football and basketball, and this is a further reflection on Tressel and outgoing athletic director Andy Geiger.
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That's right. The problems that the basketball team went through is a reflection on Tressel. Last I checked, Coach Tressel didn't give any basketball recruits money.
 
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methomps said:
I believe the passing mark represents graduating 50% of student-athletes. That shouldn't be an unreal expectation.
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Then why is it that over half of NCAA member institutions have failed to meet the grade in Basketball and Football? (That's the number I heard on the radio, I've not confirmed it myself)

Suppose it's true that each school below the score has to cut an average of 5 schollies (Yes, I know some will be less than 5, and some more, lets just say 5, we could pick 3 if you prefer) If half of 119 schools lose 5 schollies that is 595 schollies gone from the NCAA total. They don't replace these schollies to schools who make the grade, they are simply lost... Who gets screwed? The 595 athletes who would have signed a LOI who now don't have schollies available to them on account of something some other student(s) failed to do in the class room. The institution has only so much control over corse passage. This system the NCAA is using stands to punish prospective college students for the misdeeds of current students. It makes no sense. But, then, it is the NCAA.
 
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