• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Most overrated NFL player..

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
Ginn4Heisman said:
I still do not think he is overrated. Yeah he hasnt lived up to the great PASSING of Manning, Favre, Marino.... but few do.


I do think he is one of the top 5 rounded QB in the leauge. (Manning, Caulpepper, McNabb, Favre, and then Vick) He relies on his legs a little 2 much but he has got better this season with that. Jim Mora has tought Vick alot this season and will continue to teach him. Vick just started in the West Coast Offence. Give him a year or 2 and he will be putting up the PASSING yards and Less rushing!

and the Falcons D overachieving??? What are you talking about? We have a 3 time Pro-Bowler at LB (brooking), one of the best D ends in the leauge (kerney), a great run/pass rusher (coleman), and Solid DB's (DHall, Corey Hall, and Bryan Scott)

----

Like I said in another post if you cant tell I am a HUGE falcons fan, even got a 12 inch Falcon tattoo on my calf.
Click to expand...


Few do...that's just my point. A whole lot of people have put him in that category, and to the moment, he is not. That is being "overrated", not being "not a good QB". I wouldn't put him in that group you mentioned yet...he is in the tier below them with a handful of other QBs. That doesn't make him bad, it's just that he's not elite.

As for an overachieving D, yes, you have Kearney and Brooking, but if you can find a publication or person outside Atlanta (or Atlanta fans) that predicted the Falcon D would be a top 10 D in the league before the season started, I'd love to see it, because most of what I read predicted the Falcons D would be mediocre or worse. Thus...the overachieving.

Sorry man...don't mean to rain on your parade :)
 
Upvote 0
Bucklion said:
Few do...that's just my point. A whole lot of people have put him in that category, and to the moment, he is not. That is being "overrated", not being "not a good QB". I wouldn't put him in that group you mentioned yet...he is in the tier below them with a handful of other QBs. That doesn't make him bad, it's just that he's not elite.

As for an overachieving D, yes, you have Kearney and Brooking, but if you can find a publication or person outside Atlanta (or Atlanta fans) that predicted the Falcon D would be a top 10 D in the league before the season started, I'd love to see it, because most of what I read predicted the Falcons D would be mediocre or worse. Thus...the overachieving.

Sorry man...don't mean to rain on your parade :)
Click to expand...
I understand about the D. But I still dont get the Vick thing. He is one of the top 5 QB's. He just isnt a POCKET PASSER like everyone wants him to be. He is a PLAYMAKER. When someone can take over a game like he does, its unbelievable. But then there are the games like Detroit, KC and Bucs game (2 weeks ago) that he was horrible(which all 3 we lost). He averages like 2 or 3 of those a season and I personally can live with it as long as it doesnt happen in the Playoffs . He either fumbles alot or just throws bad passes. It also doesnt help that Peerless Price is a peice of Crap. Man they need to play Jenkins more.
 
Upvote 0
Price's contract was a product of Eric Moulds' breakout season and nothing else. Unfortunately, they want to play Jenkins, bit right now he just isn't good enough (coming from them, not me).

Edit: One more thing: I have no desire to have every player be Kerry Collins, but one thing to keep in mind is that McNabb and Culpepper have reached elite status by throwing more and running less. When Vick uses his feet more to create space to throw (Daunte and Donovan) and less to take off and run (Kordell Stewart), the Falcons will be almost unstoppable (assuming he can complete some...he'll fumble a lot less too).
 
Upvote 0
Whoever started this thread needs to do one thing. Look at the total offense produced by Vick. 2124 passing yards 12th in the NFL and 821 rushing yards. If my math serves me correct thats 2945 total yards by one player. That does not seem like a great number to some of you, but just to let you know the Falcons are installing a new offensive system. That takes time, and when you have a running game that lets you not throw as many passes you wont put up as many yards as some would like.
 
Upvote 0
Bucklion said:
Price's contract was a product of Eric Moulds' breakout season and nothing else. Unfortunately, they want to play Jenkins, bit right now he just isn't good enough (coming from them, not me).

Edit: One more thing: I have no desire to have every player be Kerry Collins, but one thing to keep in mind is that McNabb and Culpepper have reached elite status by throwing more and running less. When Vick uses his feet more to create space to throw (Daunte and Donovan) and less to take off and run (Kordell Stewart), the Falcons will be almost unstoppable (assuming he can complete some...he'll fumble a lot less too).
Click to expand...
Ok first off have you watched any of the falcons games or are you just going off what you see in the stat columns.

Jenkins has earned his way on the field, Coming into the year he had 3 good recievers in front of him and now he has made it onto the field. The falcons like to run the ball first then pass. Very much like the buckeyes.

I want you to understand the fact that Vick in his third year is being compared to some of the great qb's to ever play the game. NO he is not in the same league as them as far as passing, but none of them can change a game like he can with his legs. I bet if there was a fantasy draft done by the coaches he would easily be one of the top 10 overall picks. His first year he took the falcons to playoffs, last year you seen how bad they were without him and this year you see how good they are with him. He is not the most overrated player in football.

If you want that look no farther than Donovan Mcnabb.

I say this just because he is even mentioned in the same sentence with peyton in the MVP race.
 
Upvote 0
I had Michael Vick on my fantasy team but traded him right before our draft in August and it was the best move I could've made. I used the trade to move up and pick Julius Jones.

Ask the guy I traded him to if he feels like he came out ahead in the trade.
 
Upvote 0
biggsj6030 said:
Whoever started this thread needs to do one thing. Look at the total offense produced by Vick. 2124 passing yards 12th in the NFL and 821 rushing yards. If my math serves me correct thats 2945 total yards by one player. That does not seem like a great number to some of you, but just to let you know the Falcons are installing a new offensive system. That takes time, and when you have a running game that lets you not throw as many passes you wont put up as many yards as some would like.
Click to expand...
Michael Vick's boyfriend?
 
Upvote 0
Actually, I'm going by what I've heard from Falcons personnel and the commentators while I've seen Falcons games, since you ask. What I've seen and heard is that they wanted Jenkins to be the 2nd guy with Price, but he hasn't been good enough. I'm not busting on Jenkins, because he was one of my favorite Buckeyes. I'm relaying the fact that he hasn't beaten out Dez White or Brian Finneran, who are not going to be confused with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne any time soon. (3 good receivers ahead of him?)

Oh, and everyone forgets that guys like John Elway DID change a lot of games with his legs...he was just smarter about it, which Vick might be, by the time he's done.


crazybuckfan40 said:
Ok first off have you watched any of the falcons games or are you just going off what you see in the stat columns.

Jenkins has earned his way on the field, Coming into the year he had 3 good recievers in front of him and now he has made it onto the field. The falcons like to run the ball first then pass. Very much like the buckeyes.

I want you to understand the fact that Vick in his third year is being compared to some of the great qb's to ever play the game. NO he is not in the same league as them as far as passing, but none of them can change a game like he can with his legs. I bet if there was a fantasy draft done by the coaches he would easily be one of the top 10 overall picks. His first year he took the falcons to playoffs, last year you seen how bad they were without him and this year you see how good they are with him. He is not the most overrated player in football.

If you want that look no farther than Donovan Mcnabb.

I say this just because he is even mentioned in the same sentence with peyton in the MVP race.
Click to expand...
 
Upvote 0
Bucklion said:
Actually, I'm going by what I've heard from Falcons personnel and the commentators while I've seen Falcons games, since you ask. What I've seen and heard is that they wanted Jenkins to be the 2nd guy with Price, but he hasn't been good enough. I'm not busting on Jenkins, because he was one of my favorite Buckeyes. I'm relaying the fact that he hasn't beaten out Dez White or Brian Finneran, who are not going to be confused with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne any time soon. (3 good receivers ahead of him?)

Oh, and everyone forgets that guys like John Elway DID change a lot of games with his legs...he was just smarter about it, which Vick might be, by the time he's done.
Click to expand...

Yeah I have watched every Falcons game and Have been to one! and Coach Mora wants Jenkins in the game he just has not earned it yet. He gets to play alot on Special Teams and he is doing great with that. But the plays that he has been in and when he actually gets thrown the ball he hasnt been that good. He has only 2 or 3 catches and has been thrown at like 6-7 times. Which is actually a better ratio then Peerless...LOL
 
Upvote 0
I had Michael Vick on my fantasy team but traded him right before our draft in August and it was the best move I could've made. I used the trade to move up and pick Julius Jones.

Ask the guy I traded him to if he feels like he came out ahead in the trade.
Click to expand...
First of all, I believe Vick is greatly overrated, as I do all "versatile" quarterbacks (more on this in a second). However, to base your opinion on his fantasy football value doesn't make much sense. What makes a great fantasy football player is not always what makes a great NFL player.

The perfect example of this is Daunte Culpepper--a great player to have on your fantasy team, but he has yet to get the Vikings anywhere near the Super Bowl and probably never will. Or you can flip it around: Troy Aikman was a great NFL quarterback, but as a fantasy player he was average at best.


Now, I don't know who is the most overrated player in the NFL, but I can tell you the most overrated group: the "versatile" quarterbacks. I am sick of how the media lauds these guys and tells us ad naseum how they are revolutionizing the game. Problem with this argument is that not one of them has lead their team to the Super Bowl. Sure, your versatile quarterback might get you a lot of coverage on ESPiN and he might sell a lot of tickets because of the exciting plays, but it is the traditional, drop-back quarterback who is going to get you to the Super Bowl.
 
Upvote 0
bgrad,


I wasn't fantasy stats to justify opinion but yet just another piece of evidence to go along with a lot of other factors.

I've never seen a guy as hyped as him. Didn't his team get shut out the other day he had 5 turnovers?

bgrad,


I wasn't fantasy stats to justify opinion but yet just another piece of evidence to go along with a lot of other factors.

I've never seen a guy as hyped as him. Didn't his team get shut out the other day he had 5 turnovers?

For every breathtaking run he has, just watch his 3 overthrows or 2 sacks.
 
Upvote 0
Bucklion said:
What I've seen and heard is that they wanted Jenkins to be the 2nd guy with Price, but he hasn't been good enough. I'm not busting on Jenkins, because he was one of my favorite Buckeyes. I'm relaying the fact that he hasn't beaten out Dez White or Brian Finneran.
Click to expand...

Give Jenkins time. Most receivers don't develop into their full NFL potential until their third year in the league (Javon Walker being a good example this year). Sure, some WRs like Moss can have an immediate impact, but the majority do not.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top