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Tanner said:
Tony Perez is one of the players who gets used for the argument. Which is fair. But also if he hit .236 instead of .280 the Reds would have scored a lot less runs
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You are using the RBI as a measure of team run scoring vs using it as a measure of an individual players offensive production.

Again, if Tony Perez was making outs at a faster clip than he did or accumulating fewer total bases then that is what you look at, that is the issue. Tony Perez had nothing to do with Pete Rose being on base.

The Reds issue is the second part of run creation, they don't accumulate enough total bases after they avoid making outs.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
You are using the RBI as a measure of team run scoring vs using it as a measure of an individual players offensive production.

Again, if Tony Perez was making outs at a faster clip than he did or accumulating fewer total bases then that is what you look at, that is the issue. Tony Perez had nothing to do with Pete Rose being on base.

The Reds issue is the second part of run creation, they don't accumulate enough total bases after they avoid making outs.
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You make it seem like they get bases loaded with no outs in literally a win or your season is done game and then don't score a single run.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
You make it seem like they get bases loaded with no outs in literally a win or your season is done game and then don't score a single run.
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Jaxbuck said:
I think it's semantics. No one thinks they don't "matter", the point about counting stats like that is the hitter in question has no control over coming up in a spot with runners on base or coming to bat with bases empty.

wRC+, OPS and all that are meant to be a better measurement of the hitters true value.

So in the case of the Reds, yeah we see guys not come through all the time and yes those runs would matter but that is on the lack of true production of the hitter, not accumulating a certain stat just because he came up in a spot that happened to be an RBI opportunity.

It's like the Save stat. You can put a average MLB player in as the closer or 4th in the lineup and they are going to accumulate a certain number of those stats just because they are of average value and get the opportunity more consistently.
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I haven't watched baseball in a minute, do they still talk about BA with runners in scoring position?
 
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