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Dodgers rookie Ross Stripling was just pulled after his 100th pitch 7-1/3 innings into a no hitter during his MLB debut.

The reliever promptly surrenders a 2 run HR to tie the game.
 
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Agree and disagree.

They think (be leery of anyone stating facts here) that the rash of high level (professional player) TJ surgeries are a result of too much pitching at the youth levels. There is nothing that says "at pitch 101 his arm will go slinging off and that will be that" at the MLB level (or even the youth level to be honest).

As the parent of a pretty good youth pitcher this is a topic near and dear to my heart and the one thing I don't ever see spoken about enough is using pitch counts a s a guide but keeping an eye on mechanics. I am of the firm belief that continuing to throw after the point in which fundamental mechanics break down is what will get the pitcher hurt sure as you are born. So if they saw something in his delivery then I agree, take him out regardless of no hitter. If they didn't and are just being slavish to the 100 pitch count then it was probably a bad idea. I wasn't watching so i can't say for sure.

I go over this with coaches on every team my son plays plays for. Pitch counts are a guide, I watch mechanics and when they go he is coming out regardless of pitch count. If I may stay up here on the soap box a few more seconds, I would hope all parents do the same. You aren't being "that dad", it's your kids arm. It's your responsibility, not the coaches.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Agree and disagree.

They think (be leery of anyone stating facts here) that the rash of high level (professional player) TJ surgeries are a result of too much pitching at the youth levels. There is nothing that says "at pitch 101 his arm will go slinging off and that will be that" at the MLB level (or even the youth level to be honest).

As the parent of a pretty good youth pitcher this is a topic near and dear to my heart and the one thing I don't ever see spoken about enough is using pitch counts a s a guide but keeping an eye on mechanics. I am of the firm belief that continuing to throw after the point in which fundamental mechanics break down is what will get the pitcher hurt sure as you are born. So if they saw something in his delivery then I agree, take him out regardless of no hitter. If they didn't and are just being slavish to the 100 pitch count then it was probably a bad idea. I wasn't watching so i can't say for sure.

I go over this with coaches on every team my son plays plays for. Pitch counts are a guide, I watch mechanics and when they go he is coming out regardless of pitch count. If I may stay up here on the soap box a few more seconds, I would hope all parents do the same. You aren't being "that dad", it's your kids arm. It's your responsibility, not the coaches.
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couldn't have said it any better. my son has been pitching (pretty well too ;]) for about 6 years now (hes 16) and Jax's post is dead on IMO
 
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Can't disagree at all Jax. I see teams putting the same pitcher out there 2 and 3 times per week and just have em sling it til they get too tired. Brutal after about 8 to 10 years of playing ball. I'm not sure though that by the time they get to the Major League level anything is really going to be done unless they have the surgery anyway. Not much of that is going to be reversed by coming out at pitch 95 instead of 120.

No way I pull a kid on a no-no unless he just looks like he's falling apart out there. Only 5 outs left? That might fuck that kids head up for a long time.
 
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Dryden said:
Fuck pitch counts. Stupid. There is no scientific or empirical evidence they do anything. If the kid winds up throwing 150 pitches, fuckin' A. Let him live his dream.
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I'm a believer in what Leo Mazzone and Nolan Ryan say - build up strength by throwing more often. Not as hard as you can, but regularly.

Trying to keep an arm strong by resting makes as much sense as thinking you can lift more weights by not exerting yourself.


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014...h-less-exertion-key-to-avoiding-arm-injuries/
 
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Jake said:
I'm a believer in what Leo Mazzone and Nolan Ryan say - build up strength by throwing more often. Not as hard as you can, but regularly.

Trying to keep an arm strong by resting makes as much sense as thinking you can lift more weights by not exerting yourself.


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014...h-less-exertion-key-to-avoiding-arm-injuries/
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I agree, the problem is when people use this lazily and see it as an excuse to just have a kid throw indiscriminatly. You don't get stronger by lifting weights with bad technique and fucking up your back, as an example.

There is good science behind the pitch count and rest recommendations that are put out there for youth pitchers.

One thing I have discovered is to focus on the strengthening of the "decelerator" muscles in the back of the shoulder/scap area. A fundamental weakness there in kids is common and can be pre screened by any reputable physical therapist. This jumped up and bit my son who has (relatively speaking) very good mechanics and has always been carefully monitored for pitch counts.

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If this interests anyone and they feel less than fully educated (like all of us) here is a great resource: http://m.mlb.com/pitchsmart
 
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At the professional level, all of this "rest" is just based on the theory guys won't get hurt if they aren't playing. MLB went to five man rotations, then 100 pitches became a magic number. The NBA is becoming a bigger joke because of it. Guys are resting for parts of back-to-back games, even though they've got 3 games left before being off all summer.

Guaranteed multi-million dollar contracts created this practice, and it's not going away. The same kind of thinking now has some teams talking about six-man rotations. The reason you don't see it in the NFL is two fold: most contracts are not guaranteed, and you only have 16 games. You can't roll over for a few of them and expect to get anywhere. In MLB and NBA, that's not the case.
 
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